من العجيب جدا ان نتيجه الطب الشرعي لن تظهر حتي نص مارس علي الاقل ....ليه؟؟؟....المفروض انها تعلن في خلال اسبوع او اثنين بالكتير....هل من اجابه؟

[QUOTE=fayoumy]مره اخرى رجع الصمت المطبق حول هذه الجريمه البشعه...ايه الرأى فى اعلان فى الصحف لتذكره الناس بالجائزه المعروضه ؟...[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=4]يوميا هناك مقالات حول الموضوع
هناك شئ آخر مفيد جداً يجري التجهيز له حاليا
الدعم الحكومى للأقباط فاق ما توقعناه وهيئات كثيرة سواء حكومية او حقوقية او مسيحية ابدت دعمها وتعاطفها
هناك عثرة امامنا الا وهى محامى قداسة البابا السيد ماجد رياض ( لا اعلم كيف يثق البابا فى شخص عميل للحكومة المصرية عينى عينك كهذا) والعثرة الأخري هى فى اسقف الساحل الشرقى ، فهو ليس على قدر المسئولية ويريد التعامل مع الحدث وكأنه يعيش فى مصر.[/SIZE]

كلامك غامض ياأدمن 1
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موضوع آخر :
فيه موضوع كتبت عنه كذا مرة وهو : تكبير البنط الإفتراضى
ثانياً فى موقع الفكر العربى فيه سمايلز جميلة أتمنى نقلها هنا
الإسمايلز اللى فيها هز حواجب وتطليع لسان المفروض حذفها
يعجبنى البنط الإفتراضى فى موقع الفكر العربى
بأكتبلك الكلام ده ياأخ أدمن 1 لأنك كنت غايب مدة طويلة ، وكتبت إقتراحاتى عدة مرات ولا من مجيب
سلام

[SIZE=4]بعض التوضيح مع الاعتذار للتلخيص
- يجرى الآن الاعداد لشئ ما لو قامت العائلة ( عائلة الضحايا) بتنفيذه سيعيد الموضوع للصدارة مرة أخرى وستكون فرصة سانحة للأقباط ان يتحدثوا عن قضاياهم للرأى العام الأمريكي.
من يقوم ب "تنييم" الموضوع - على الجانب القبطي - هم الأنبا ديفيد أسقف الساحل الشمال الشرقى والسيد ماجد رياض محامى قداسة البابا.
مواقفهم هم الاثنين لها تاريخ يدل على سلبيتهم حين يتعلق الأمر بقضايا الأقباط ومن الافضل ان يقوم قداسة البابا باستبدالهم هم الاثنين حيث ان الانبا ديفيد ليس اسقفا للايبارشية بل اسقفا عاما لذا يمكن استبداله قبل ان يثور الشعب ضدهم خاصة وان الكثيرين بدءوا فى إبداء الامتعاض من الاثنين.

اما عن موضوع الخط فأنا مثلك تماما ، طالبت به من يقوم على الناحية التقنية فى الموقع لأكثر من مرة ولكن يبدوا انه لا حياة لمن تنادي ، عموما سأحاول مرة أخري[/SIZE]

المقالات و حديث مايكل في الراديو وكذلك مقاله دانيال بايبس الاخيره كلها عوامل قويه لابقاء القضيه حيه والشكر واجب علي هذا المجهود...لكن انا كنت باتكلم عن الصمت من جهة البوليس

[FONT=Arial]لست متأكدا، ولكن هل تفيد هذه الروابط فى الإستدلال على شئ؟[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]وهذا يبدوا أنه محاوله لفتح برسوميات من جديد[/FONT]
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[SIZE=4]شكرا لكل الأخوة الذين ساهموا فى وضع مواقع لكن ما نريده هو مواقع تحرض على قتل الأقباط أو المسيحيين العرب سواء فى البالتاك أو فى غيرها
أو مقالات فى الجرائد المصرية أو العربية تحوي على تحريض ، لدينا مثال فى جريدة الأسبوع كواحدة
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فمن لديه أية مقالات تحوي بين أسطرها على التحريض سواء بتسمية أشخاص معينة من أقباط المهجر أو من البالتاك أو غيرها فليتفضل بوضعها هنا او بإرسالها إلى البريد الإلكتروني.

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المقال التالي نشر في Coptic Digest من الاخ باشا عوض


Dear All


We have been sending and receiving emails about this subject. All we want to know is the truth: who murdered them, and why were they murdered in this fashion? I ask every one to write to your congress man and your senator expressing our concern about the way the investigation is going. This crime is against the USA, not against the Copts. It is committed here and we should deal with it in such a way. We have to explore every avenue, even if we have to hire private investigators. We are not supposed to accuse any one, because we do not have conclusive evidences as to who committed that horrible crime. We need to coordinate the efforts to talk to the Justice Department, the Secretary of State, the President. If we do not get results, we may have to plan a huge demonstration infront of the White House until we get results. We are not dictating our will, but we should do something instead of just talking to each
other. Any response, please.

[QUOTE=admin1][SIZE=4]بعض التوضيح مع الاعتذار للتلخيص
- يجرى الآن الاعداد لشئ ما لو قامت العائلة ( عائلة الضحايا) بتنفيذه سيعيد الموضوع للصدارة مرة أخرى وستكون فرصة سانحة للأقباط ان يتحدثوا عن قضاياهم للرأى العام الأمريكي.
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[SIZE=4]المؤتمر الصحفى الأول لعائلة الضحايا بواشنطن يوم الثلاثاء القادم
وهو ضربة على رأس كل الخونة الذين خانوا شعبنا وباعوا قضيتهم بغير ثمن

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خطوه قويه و شجاعه وجايه في الوقت المناسب


ربنا يعطي قرايب الضحايا ويعطينا كلنا الصبر و الحكمه

Murder Fuels Rumors of Egyptian Involvement
 

[SIZE=5][URL=http://www.forward.com/main/article.php?ref=perelman20050209921][U][B][CENTER]Murder Fuels Rumors of Egyptian Involvement[/CENTER][/B][/U][/URL][/SIZE]
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By MARC PERELMAN
February 11, 2005

The gruesome murder of a Coptic Egyptian family in New Jersey last month has fueled a whirlwind of accusations, with some hawkish commentators blaming Islamist radicals and some locals seeing the [COLOR=Red][B][U]Egyptian government’s hand[/U][/B][/COLOR].

Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife and their two daughters were found bound and gagged at their home in Jersey City on January 14 with their throats slit and with several stab wounds.

Law enforcement authorities say they have found no evidence that religion motivated the killings and that they are considering robbery or a vendetta as a more likely cause. [COLOR=Red][B][U]The results of the autopsy are expected to be released March 14[/U][/B][/COLOR].

Rafique Iscandar, a close friend of the Armanious family and the head of a local organization called the American Coptic Union, said [COLOR=Red]he believed the Egyptian authorities were the likely culprits in an effort to expand abroad their repression against Copts, who make up about 10% of Egypt’s population[/COLOR].

While he did not offer evidence to support his claims, he added that [COLOR=Red]Egyptian diplomats had pressured local families to tone down such complaints[/COLOR].

Magdi Shaker, a spokesman for the Egyptian mission to the United Nations, denied any government involvement and said American authorities had ruled out any religious motives.

In addition, the Hudson County prosecutor is looking into assertions about a possible link between the murders and hate e-mails posted on an Islamic Web site. The allegations were made in an article published last week in The New York Sun by Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, an analyst with the Investigative Project, a group run by terrorist expert Steven Emerson.

Gartenstein-Ross contends that the Web site, Barsyomat.com, tracked Christian users of an online chat room called on the Web site [url]www.PalTalk.com[/url], where participants use instant messaging, voice messaging and Web cameras, posting information on their whereabouts and even pictures.

Armanious was reportedly a frequent PalTalk debater, under the user name “I love Jesus,” and allegedly received a death threat two months before the slayings from another PalTalk user, according to the Sun report.

The authorities are investigating the Web site, which was run by a Jordanian until its Minnesota-based hosting company shut it down last week.

PalTalk is a New York city-based company founded in 1998, and providing a whole range of Web-based communication tools.

The site allegedly posted pictures of Armanious and his wife, with a comment referring to them, respectively, as a “filthy dog” and his “filthy wife” who “got what they deserved for their actions in America,” according to the article.

Iscandar cited the [COLOR=Red][B]death by hanging of another Copt in Bayonne, N.J., a couple of months ago as a possible indication of an anti-Copt campaign waged by Cairo[/B][/COLOR].

He said the police department did not mention in its report the fact that the [B][COLOR=Red]victims’ throats were slit[/COLOR][/B]; the report referred only to the stabs. He said that [B][COLOR=Red]the assailants had tried to cut the crosses tattooed on the family’s wrists[/COLOR][/B].

In addition, he brushed aside the hypothesis of a vendetta as implausible since Armanious was not politically involved now or before he came to the United States 10 years ago. As to the robbery theory, he said that although some money was stolen, gold and a ring worth $3,500 were found.

He said Armanious had been laid off six months ago from a job at a local Marriott hotel but continued to work as a handyman. His wife was working at a post office.

“They were just normal people living a normal life,” he said.[/SIZE]
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[url]http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?c=&p=Hossam+Armanious[/url]

[URL=http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usnw/20050210/pl_usnw/relatives_of_slain_n_j__family_of_four_speak_out_for_first_time_in_washington__d_c__press_conference140_xml][B][CENTER]Relatives of Slain N.J. Family of Four Speak Out for First Time in Washington, D.C. Press Conference[/CENTER][/B][/URL]

[CENTER][B][COLOR=Red][SIZE=4][URL=http://www.coptichistory.org/new_page_307.htm]ذبح عائلة قبطية مكونة من أربع افراد على الطريقة الإسلامية

بقلم عزت اندراوس[/URL][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/CENTER]

Mr. Administrator

PLEASE....PLEASE keep this important topic on the first page.

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Thank You, Mr. Administrator

السيد المشرف

المؤتمرالصحفى والاعلان خطوات عظيمه و قويه...الف شكر لكل المنفذين...

الرجا شرح كيف يمكن المساعده ماديآ حيث ان كل هذه الجهود اكيد تكلف مبالغ طائله...نداءالي جميع الاقباط ان يعضدوا كل هذه الجهود..كل واحد علي حسب مقدرته

نشر البيان فى الواشنطن تايمز 2/15/2005
 

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[CENTER]بيان من الهيئات القبطية بجميع فروعها المنتشرة حول العالم فى ذكرى رحيل شهداء عائلة أرمانيوس
نشر البيان فى الواشنطن تايمز 2/15/2005 [/CENTER] [/B] [/SIZE] [/COLOR]

[CENTER][SIZE=11][FONT=Arial Narrow][B]The Blood of the Armanious Family Cries Out For Justice[/B] [/FONT] [/SIZE] [/CENTER]

[B][LEFT]It was in the year 1997, in his hometown, Luxor, in Upper Egypt that Hossam Armanious, a Coptic (Egyptian) Christian, was exposed to the most troubling scene of his life. Terrorists surged into the Temple of Hatshepsut and massacred 58 Western tourists. The incident was one of the deadliest acts of terrorism in modern history. Blood ran like a stream over the ground of that ancient city. The event compelled Hossam and his family to pack-up and leave that very year. They headed towards America seeking freedom, prosperity and security. Never did they imagine that they would face a similar dreadful fate in the USA. On Friday January 14, 2005, the police broke into the Armanious family house in Jersey City and discovered the bodies of Hossam (47), his wife Amal (37), and their two daughters, Sylvia (15) and Monica (8). They were all found bound, gagged and stabbed to death. Words cannot express the shock that this criminal calamity caused civilized peoples around the globe to experience. To date, the authorities have not yet come forth with an official declaration of motive or suspects for the crime. They still have a challenge of solving this cruel injustice and bringing it to closure. Even though many people harbor what seem to be logical theories, we can not rush to judgment or point the finger of guilt towards any group. That is a responsibility reserved for law enforcement investigative agencies and the courtroom. While we Copts in the USA and elsewhere thank the authorities for their efforts thus far, we urge them to diligently and aggressively continue their search and investigation until the criminals are arrested and brought to justice. Every relevant question must be asked, every lead must be pursued and every suspicious group must be investigated. No effort should be spared, and no stone should be left unturned in order to make sure that such a crime would not pass It has been said, “A man’s home is his castle.If the Armanious family could not find safety in their home in America, how can other Americans expect to find safety in theirs? To honor the memory of the Armanious family, and for all Americans to regain the sense of security in their homes, we dearly need to see that the killers who committed this heinous crime are identified, arrested and brought to justice. We fully trust that the American law enforcement system will uncover the facts and render justice to the victims.
The family speaks at their first press conference today, Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 3:00 pm in the National Press Club’s Zenger Room in Washington, D.C. [/LEFT] [/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=6][LEFT][B]Sponsored by the following Organizations [/B] [/LEFT] [/SIZE] [/FONT]
[LEFT]•American Coptic Association, USA •American Middle Eastern •Christian Association, USA •Christian Copts of California, USA •Coptic American Friendship Association, USA •US Copts Association, USA •Canadian Coptic Association, Ontario, Canada •Canadian Egyptian Organization for Human Rights, Canada •UK Coptic Association, UK •European Coptic Association, France •French Coptic Association, France •Australian Coptic Association, Australia •Australian Egyptian Human Rights Association, Australia •Al-Masry Newspaper, Australia [/LEFT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=6][LEFT][B]Supported by the following Activists [/B][/LEFT][/SIZE] [/FONT]
[LEFT]Youssef Awad, MD, USA Mounir Bishay, USA Safwat Guindy, DDS, USA Claire Hanna, USA George Hanna, USA William A. Hanna, PhD, USA Kamal Ibrahim, MD, USA Milad Iskander, USA Saad Iskander, USA Atef Jacoub, USA Magdy Khalil, USA Khairy Malek, MD, USA Michael Meunier, USA Victor Michael, DDS, USA Seratial Misdary, USA Heidi Saad, USA Saad Michael Saad, PhD, USA Ehab Yacoub, MD, USA Nabil Abdelmalik, Canada Fayek Botrous, Canada Mishriki Guindi, Canada Maher Riskalla, Canada Emad Youssef, Canada Helmy Guirguis, MD, UK Ibrahim Habib, MD, UK Nagi Awad,France Adel Gorgy, France Adel Guindy, France Samuel Fahed, Australia Fikry Max, Australia Nazuih Youssef, Australia Amal Garas [/LEFT]

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Coptic Church Urges Thorough Investigation
 

[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=5][CENTER][B]Coptic Church Urges Thorough Investigation
In Murder of Jersey City Family
Friday, January 21, 2005[/B][/CENTER][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]

[B][COLOR=Navy][LEFT]Thursday, January 20, 2005 the East Coast Coptic Orthodox Clergy met at the Coptic Orthodox Archdiocese of North America, located in Cedar Grove, NJ and issued the following statement

The Coptic Orthodox community is horrified and grieved by the recent brutal murder in Jersey City, NJ of a Coptic Orthodox Christian family. Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife Amal, 37, and their two daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were found slain in their home on Friday, January 14, 2005. According to early reports, each one of the family members was found bound and gagged with their throats slashed

The Armanious family was a devout, Christ-loving family, who followed the peaceful teachings of our Savior Jesus Christ. They were active members in the parish community of St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church of Jersey City, and were loved by all in the church and in the community at large

Since the discovery of the murdered family, there have been many rumors and speculations about possible motives circulating throughout the community and in the media. The Church trusts that the proper authorities will continue to conduct their investigation in a manner that is comprehensive and complete and which will result in justic
The Coptic Orthodox community is concerned that this brutal killing may have been the result of a hate crime against a Coptic Christian family. Although the Coptic Orthodox Church does not condone jumping to any conclusions or singling out any one specific group until all the facts have been discovered, this crime has sparked an outpouring of emotion and resulted in unrest in our community. Fear and concern also resonate throughout many other communities of New Jersey since countless families, regardless of background, feel more vulnerable to crime in light of the Armanious family killing

We urge the authorities to give this criminal investigation the highest priority and we pledge our complete cooperation in that regard. We expect the dedication of every necessary resource until the truth is established; the authorities bring the perpetrator(s) immediately to justice, bring closure to this heinous act and maintain peace and safety in our streets and homes. Anything less will be unjust and result in further unrest in the community

The Church prays for the repose of the souls of the Armanious family, and for peace and unity in our communities and the whole world. We pray that the law enforcement officials apprehend the perpetrator(s) and quickly bring them to justice. We also pray for the perpetrator(s) that they may find repentance, and turn themselves in to the authorities in order to restore peace to all

The Coptic Orthodox Church is an Apostolic Church founded by St. Mark the Evangelist (Gospel writer) in the first century A.D. in Alexandria, Egypt. The Coptic Orthodox Church is the original church of Alexandria and is one of the oldest Christian Orthodox churches. The Coptic Orthodox Church has been native to Egypt, the Middle East, and Africa until its first immigrants came to the United States and other countries and established churches beginning in the 1960’s. Currently, there are over 200 Coptic Orthodox Churches in North America

For more information, please contact
Fr. Antonious Tanious
(732) 947-0922[/LEFT][/COLOR][/B]

يا جماعة ليه بتلصقوا الجريمة في المسلمين وليه بتسموا الغرب متحضر إيه الحضارة التي بتنتج سجن زي أبو غريب ايه هي حضارة الأفلام الإباحية حضارة انتشار الجريمة في المجتمع الغربي

طب وسجن ابو غريب يكون ايه جنب نقطه شرطه الكشح
علي الاقل هناك حرب و الحروب ياما بيحصل فيها
لكن مجانين الشرطه المصريه و امن دولت فاقوا سجن ابو غريب

[SIZE=4][QUOTE=عبدالمسيح أبونقطة]يا جماعة ليه بتلصقوا الجريمة في المسلمين وليه بتسموا الغرب متحضر إيه الحضارة التي بتنتج سجن زي أبو غريب ايه هي حضارة الأفلام الإباحية حضارة انتشار الجريمة في المجتمع الغربي[/QUOTE]

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الأخ يوساب بإسم جديد..يآدى المصيبة...ضربتين فى الرأس توجع

أنا جتلى نقطة[/SIZE]

[SIZE=5][B][CENTER][URL=http://www.amcoptic.com/n2005/Armanious_Tragedy.pdf]دماء الشهداء تصرخ للعدالة[/URL][/CENTER][/B][/SIZE]

[SIZE=4][COLOR=Blue][LEFT][URL=http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43093]Copts fear Christian conversion sparked unsolved murders[/URL]

By Maria Sliwa
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Evangelical Christians in the United States have reason to keep an eye on the murder investigation of four Coptic Christians slain last month in New Jersey. Family members who viewed the bodies say they suspect the brutal slayings were a warning not to proselytize to Muslims. They say that the body of Sylvia Armanious was clearly the most viciously attacked in the killings, causing them to wonder if it was because she was too vocal in sharing her faith.

"Sylvia talked about Jesus to everyone," her uncle Ayman Garas said. "She was extremely religious."


On Jan. 14, the bodies of Amal Garas, 37, her husband, Hossam Armanious, 47, and their daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were found in their home bound and gagged, with puncture wounds to their throats. The unsolved murders were thrust into the spotlight again earlier this month, when the relatives of the victims went to Washington, D.C., to meet with lawmakers and hold a press conference on their concerns about the case.

"We aren't looking for trouble, we are just looking for the facts," Emil Garas, an uncle of one of the victims, said.

While Dr. Monir Dawoud, the acting president of the American Coptic Association, says that proselytizing is not a common practice among Coptic Christians, it is quite common for the denomination of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church Sylvia attended in Jersey City. Congregants at this church call themselves "born-again."

A number of Sylvia's friends, who attend the Mid East Evangelical church, say a problem ensued after Sylvia befriended the Muslim daughter of a Halal butcher she encouraged to convert to Christianity. They say that they fear Sylvia's Christian influence on this girl may have provoked the harsh retribution that followed.

Fellow churchgoers say they are worried that the Jersey City murders will encourage an increase in the persecution of converts (and those who convert them) in the U.S., as is the case in Egypt.

According to Freedom House, a nonpartisan organization that monitors the global spread of democracy, Coptic Christians in Egypt live in fear and subjugation. "While Egypt has no explicit law against apostasy, the influence of sharia law on the civil code is creating a de facto law." Each year thousands of Copts convert to Islam, many under pressure, and Christians have an emigration rate three to four times that of Muslims. Coptic church sources estimate that over a million Copts have left Egypt in the past 30 years.

But Hamed el Shenawany, the president of the Al Huda Islamic Center in Jersey City, says that though it is possible that a "crazy fanatic" could have sought retribution for this kind of thing, this is not the case with most Muslims in the United States. "America is the land of the free and Muslims are free to convert to any religion they want," el Shenawany says.

Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, senior terrorism analyst at the Washington, D.C.-based Investigative Project, a terrorism research center, disagrees. "It's an unfortunate fact that even in the West many converts from Islam to Christianity are driven underground in the practice of their new faith because they fear retaliation," he says.


A number of converts in the U.S. have received serious threats, particularly if they're outspoken in their new faith. Although obtaining information on these threats can be difficult, because they're generally under-reported, without digging too deeply I can think of at least 10 cases since the mid-1990s in which apostates from Islam living in the West have reported threats, in places that include Chicago, Los Angeles, New Jersey, Britain and the Netherlands. In some cases, the apostates have reported actual physical violence.


Mohamed Saleh (who changed his name for this article for fear of retribution) is a former Muslim from Egypt who says he fled to America in 1992, after he was severely beaten for converting to Christianity. He says he was threatened in 2001 when he began discussing his faith with Muslims on PalTalk, a New York City-based internet chat service. Though Saleh admits that his debates were often too fervent on the Net, he was shocked to find photos of himself and family members, along with all of his contact information, on a radical Islamic website called Gegadeath.com. Below Saleh's picture was a statement of warning. After he appeared on Gegadeath, Saleh says he received numerous death threats on the phone and quickly moved to another state.

Last month, Ahmed Mohamed, 36, a former Muslim in Colorado, was one of the targeted Christians whose photo and contact information were posted on another radical Islamic website, Barsomyat.com, for debating Muslims on PalTalk. He says that since his information was posted, he has received numerous threats on the phone, in person and in letters he has received in the mail. Mohamed says, though sometimes afraid, he is prepared to die for his faith.

Last Tuesday, New Jersey Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said that though no suspects have been identified in the murders, all leads are being pursued.

According to information obtained by Robert Spencer, the director of Jihad Watch, from sources close to the murders, [COLOR=Red]the Halal butcher had planned the killing for months and several of his accomplices are still in the country[/COLOR]. Spencer says police are investigating these allegations.

Though Family members live in inconsolable grief, they say they continue to hope that the murderers will soon be identified.

"I think of Amal, Hossam, Sylvia and Monica all the time." Sylvia's grandmother Ferail Garas said. "Like a movie, their deaths keep playing over and over in my mind. Whenever I am alone, I cannot stop crying."

"I just want the killers of my family found."


Maria Sliwa is a freelance journalist based in New Jersey and the founder and publisher of Freedom Now News.[/LEFT][/COLOR][/SIZE]

ATM Videos May Lead To N.J. Family's Killer
 

[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=6][CENTER]ATM Videos May Lead To N.J. Family's Killer[/CENTER][/SIZE][/COLOR]

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NEWARK, N.J. -- For the first time since an Egyptian family was tied up and murdered in Jersey City in January, Hudson County authorities say [COLOR=Red]they're confident they'll be able to catch whoever did it[/COLOR].

[COLOR=Red]Surveillance videos from an automated teller machine may lead authorities to the killer of the Armanious family[/COLOR], Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said Tuesday.

Someone using Hossam Armanious' debit card removed thousands of dollars from several of his accounts during a string of ATM visits in the days following the murders of Armanious, his wife and their two young daughters.

The suspect used the Bank of America card at ATMs in Jersey City and midtown Manhattan starting on Jan. 15, the morning after the four were found stabbed to death inside their home, and continued for five days, DeFazio said.

The prosecutor said Tuesday investigators were able to identify the make and model of a car that drove up to an ATM in Jersey City, and were working on reading the license plate number from the ATM video.

"I think we're going to get someone with this, I really do," DeFazio said.

The withdrawals, during which Armanious' personal identification number was entered, provide new evidence to support the theory that robbery was the motive for the killings.

Members of the Egyptian Coptic Orthodox community to which the Armanious family belonged have blamed the killings on Islamic extremists. Friends of the family have speculated that Armanious might have angered Muslims with his postings in an Internet chat room frequented by Christians and Muslims.

Hudson County prosecutors and the FBI, while never dismissing the religion angle, have focused on a financial motive. DeFazio said that while religion still has not been ruled out, such a motive "is looking less and less likely."

The killings, in which family members were bound and gagged and stabbed repeatedly in the head with knives from their home, have exacerbated tensions between Muslims and Christians in Jersey City and elsewhere in northern New Jersey.

Some in the area's Coptic community refuse to believe that robbery was the primary motive, and continue to push for the killings to be classified and investigated as hate crimes. Although there was evidence of robbery at the house, a large amount of jewelry remained untouched[/LEFT][/SIZE]

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Two people were just arrested
 

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Two people have been arrested in the murder of a New Jersey family -- a case that caused religious tensions.

The victims were members of an Egyptian Christian family -- a husband and wife and their two children. Their bodies were found in January.

The slayings caused animosity between Christians and Muslims in New Jersey. Friends of the victims speculated that the father had angered Muslims by posting in Internet chat rooms under the user name "I Love Jesus." And many Coptic Christians in New Jersey and elsewhere blamed Islamic extremists.

But prosecutors aren't giving a motive for the slayings. They've said robbery may have been a factor.

Someone used the victims' A-T-M card to withdraw thousands of dollars from a bank account in the days after the slayings.[/LEFT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial Black]ممكن الوضوع يكون دينى وسرقة فى نفس الوقت لأن الوصايا الإسلامية توصى بالسلب فى حالة القتل[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=4]الصبر لسه البوليس مش عايز يقفز لاستنتاج كون فى احد الاشخاص استخدم بطاقة الااتمان هذا طرف خيط محدش يعرف حيوصل لفين بس عمر السرقة ما تم بالطريقة دى , يقتلوا اسرة كاملة عشان كام الف دولر ده زى الى قتل نموسة بقنبلة[/SIZE]

من مع قضيتنا !!!!
 

[SIZE=4]http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | Last month's grisly murder in Jersey City of Hossam Armanious, his wife, Amal, and two daughters, Sylvia and Monica, remains unsolved. But friends and relatives of the family are convinced the bloody crime is rooted in a growing wave of violence and oppression against Christians taking place in Arab countries.


They may well be right.


The Armanious family was devoutly Coptic Christian — an ancient orthodox Egyptian sect that has long suffered from discrimination and coercion in largely Muslim Egypt. Armanious did something in America that he wouldn't dare try in his native Egypt: He attempted to convert Muslims to Christianity.


That, say members of the local Coptic community, angered Islamic extremists and led to the murder.


New Jersey police say they have no proof it was religious murder and are still considering robbery among the motives, although Armanious was far from rich and family jewelry was found untouched in the house.


Hudson County Prosecutor Edward De Fazio tells me he doesn't believe it was religious murder, although he also won't rule it out.


Local Coptic Christians, understandably, think otherwise. The Armanious family was found bound, gagged and stabbed multiple times — a murder style that follows a Koranic pre******ion for ritual execution, according to Michael Meunier, a representative of the the U.S. Copts Association.


"This was no robbery," a frightened-looking New York City Coptic shopkeeper whispered to me recently. "Arabs did it."


The fears of our country's Coptic community are even more understandable in light of what is happening to Christians across the Arab world.


"Christians, natives of Arab countries, are escaping their countries of origin," says Iraqi columnist Majid Azaza. "The reason is the harassment to which they are subjected by government agencies on the one hand, and extremist groups on the other hand, in countries they have inhabited for thousands of years."


Azaza says that Lebanese Christians — once a solid majority — continue to emigrate by the thousands as a result of the pressures placed upon them by Lebanon's growing Islamic fundamentalists. In Saudi Arabia, organized Christian religious worship is outlawed altogether - even for the oil-rich kingdom's foreign workers.


In Egypt, Copts say their community is subject to new discrimination in work, even violent attacks, and the forceful abduction and conversion of their daughters to Islam. In Palestinian areas, says Azaza, "Christians are becoming almost extinct."


Thirty years ago, 70% of the population of Bethlehem was Christian Arab. Today, the traditional birthplace of Jesus is more than 70% Muslim.


"People are afraid not only of the Arab versus Israeli violence, but of Muslim extremist pressure on us," a Christian businessman told me on a recent visit. "They want our land, they want our businesses, they want our children."


In light of this worldwide persecution, it's time to find out who slaughtered the Armanious family and why. [/SIZE]

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هناك اعلان فى بداية التقرير

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[LEFT]Neighbor, Other Man Charged In Family's Slaying

JERSEY CITY, N.J. -- The upstairs neighbor of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January was charged Friday, along with another man, in the murders.
Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above Hossam Armanious and his family, pleaded not guilty to four counts of felony murder. Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges and also pleaded not guilty.

Sanchez during a court hearing began crying as he stood before a judge, his hands cuffed behind his back.

"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people," Sanchez said, as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald stared at the floor during the hearing.

Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses, were ordered held on $10 million cash bail.

Authorities said Armanious, 47; his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children -- Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 -- were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14.

Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said the killings took place in the course of a robbery by the two men, who owed a large sum of money to a person whom DeFazio would not identify.

Police went to the Armanious home after relatives were unable to contact the family for several days. All four victims were found bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their throats.

DeFazio said that during the robbery Monica Armanious had managed to loosen the bonds with which she was bound and gagged and recognized McDonald as the upstairs tenant. McDonald killed her out of fear of being identified and Sanchez killed the other three people, DeFazio said.

McDonald was taken into custody Thursday and charged later that night. Sanchez was arrested Thursday night and charged Friday.

Developments in the slayings had intensified in recent days as authorities revealed that thousands of dollars had been withdrawn from Armanious' bank account using his ATM card in the days after the slayings.

McDonald's aunt, who would only identify herself by her first name, Marie, told The Star-Ledger of Newark that he was not involved in the slayings.

"He's innocent," she said in Friday's newspapers. "He's not that kind of person."

The slayings created tension between Christians and Muslims here and in northern New Jersey. The Armaniouses were Coptic Christians, and Hossam Armanious frequented Internet chat rooms, posting opinions under the user name "I Love Jesus."

Friends of the family speculated that he might have angered Muslims with those online posts, and many Coptics in New Jersey and elsewhere blamed Islamic extremists for the killings.

"I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: The motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money," DeFazio said.

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I am not about to challenge the police authority of NJ or their competence, but there are some points that are strange in the last news report posted by admin1:

- [QUOTE]DeFazio said that during the robbery Monica Armanious had managed to loosen the bonds with which she was bound and gagged and recognized McDonald as the upstairs tenant. McDonald killed her out of fear of being identified and Sanchez killed the other three people, [/QUOTE]
How did DeFazio know this piece of information , if both arrested men did not confess their crime and pleaded guilty innocent to the crime charges? How can he specifically know that Monica (may she rest in peace) was able to recognize the killer? Was there an eyewitness all along the investigations ?

- I am not trying to defend the arrested men, for I do not know them, nor am I insisting on accusing a certain group with murder. It would make no difference for the victims, but if the truth is not out, it will make a great difference for the Coptic society.

- DeFazio, from day one, has seemed to be totally negligent of the religious factors in the case, or unwilling to incorporate them in his theory to solve the case. He might be still right, I am not challenging his work, but other factors greater than him may play a role. Muslims organization have oil money in the States, they have politicial power by buying politicians in their pockets, and they can direct the investigations any direction they want.
Armanios family (may they all rest in peace) were not the most wealthy family in NJ, which would cast many doubts on the robbery motive.
- The bigger picture is:
There is no place in this World that is not in the dominion of the devil, as such, the real believers will be persecuted where ever they go. It will be just different coverage for the crimes against us, from total and outrageous support to crimes by government like the Koshah and Obu Welams incidents, to very slizzy and wishy washy , double faced and politically correct approach in the West. Result is the same.

- I entreat all my brothers to act in a more wise way in political situations, knowing that politics is won by money, power, good presentation and influence rather than loud voice and appealing to a non existent human conscience.

- I liked the effort byMr Micheal Muneer in presenting the point of view of the Coptic society. He did a good job and that is exactly what I am talking about. Politics is a shreud game.

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[SIZE=6]يارب أعطى شعبك بعض الحكمة لأن معاشرة المسلمين أثرت على عقول الكثيرين... [/SIZE]

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عندك حق يا أبو السااااااااااااام...

الأخ أبو نقطة طلع تقية إبن حرامية وليس يوسابى النزعة....

إنت كسبت المرة دى
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عندك حق يا أبو السااااااااااااام...

الأخ أبو نقطة طلع تقية إبن حرامية وليس يوسابى النزعة....

إنت كسبت المرة دى
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[SIZE=6]واشمعنى المرة دى؟ أنا باكسب فى الحكاية دى على طول... يابنى أنا باشمهم ... أمال مشرف أونطة أنا ...أنا ولا فخر أول واحد عرفت إن كيرلس حقيقى ,غن ساد فور ذات ربنا ينجحه مطرح ماهو موجود حقيقى, وعرفت الفشنك برضه ولا عاوزنى أفكرك؟؟؟[/SIZE]

كشف غموض مذبحة نيوجيرسي
 

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توجيه الاتهام لشابين أمريكيين بقتل الأسرة المصرية المهاجرة[/CENTER][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]
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جيرسي سيتي ـ من علاء رياض
أعلن إدوارد دي فازيو المدعي العام لمقاطعة هدسون بولاية نيوجيرسي الأمريكية أمس توجيه الاتهام لشابين أمريكيين بقتل الأسرة المصرية بمدينة جيرسي سيتي بغرض السرقة واحالتهما للقضاء مؤكدا في بيان له أن الغرض من القتل لم يكن بسبب الدين‏,‏ وأن الدافع الوحيد للجريمة البشعة كان الجشع والحاجة للمال‏.‏ واحيل المتهمان إلي قاضي التحقيقات الذي امر بحبسهما علي ذمة التحقيق وكفالة‏10‏ ملايين دولار لكل منهما‏.‏

وبذلك وضع المدعي العام الأمريكي نهاية لما اثارته قضية قتل الأسرة المصرية المسيحية في نيوجيرسي من توتر بين الجالية المصرية بالولايات المتحدة طوال الشهرين الماضيين‏,‏ بسبب تزايد الأصوات التي حاولت لصق الجريمة البشعة بأسباب دينية وربطها بأحداث داخل مصر‏.‏

وقال المدعي العام ان احد الجناة كان يقطن بالدور الأعلي بنفس المنزل الذي تقيم فيه اسرة حسام ارمانيوس‏,‏ وأن المتهمين قاما بسرقة كروت الائتمان البنكية الفيزا الخاصة بارمانيوس‏,‏ وحصلا منه علي الأرقام السرية الخاصة بالفيزا تحت تهديد السلاح‏.‏

وقد كشف المدعي العام عن تفاصيل مثيرة خاصة بالجريمة الشنعاء‏,‏ وقال إن المتهم الأول هو شاب أمريكي يدعي إدوارد ماكدونالد‏25‏ عاما وهو مستأجر للدور الأعلي لسكن المجني عليهم‏,‏ وشاركه في الجريمة شاب أمريكي آخر يدعي هاملتون سانشيز‏30‏ عاما‏.‏ وقد اقتحم الاثنان مسكن حسام ارمانيوس‏47‏ عاما‏,‏ في‏11‏ يناير‏2005,‏ وطلبا منه تسليمهما كروت الائتمان البنكية الخاصة به‏,‏ وبدأ في تعذيبه للحصول علي الأرقام السرية‏.‏

واثناء تهديد الأب لمعرفة الأرقام السرية‏,‏ تعرفت الابنة الصغري مونيكا‏8‏ سنوات علي احد اللصوص وهو جارهم ماكدونالد بالرغم من تغطية وجهه‏,‏ وخوفا من افتضاح امره ذبح الطفلة الصغيرة بعد تكبيلها وشل حركتها داخل غرفتها‏,‏ ثم بدأ سانشيز شريكه في الجريمة بعمليات القتل البشعة لباقي افراد الأسرة المصرية‏,‏ التي هاجرت لأمريكا منذ نهاية التسعينيات‏,‏ وهم الأب وزوجته أمل جرس‏32‏ عاما والأبنة الكبري سيلفيا‏15‏ عاما ثم هربا‏.‏

وقال المدعي العام إنه تم الكشف عن المشتبه فيهما بعد أن سجلت أحدي كاميرات المراقبة المثبتة بماكينة الصرف الآلي بأحد البنوك شريطا كاملا لأحد الأشخاص في اثناء قيامه باستخدام بطاقة الفيزا الخاصة برب الأسرة المصرية‏.‏ وأكد أن الدافع للجريمة كان السرقة فقط نافيا وجود اية دلائل علي كونه عملا إرهابيا أو نتيجة للتعصب الديني‏.‏

وكان المدعي العام لمقاطعة هدسون قد أخطر السفير شريف الخولي قنصل مصر العام في نيويورك بالقبض علي مرتكبي المذبحة‏,‏ وأكد أنه تم تكثيف البحث وتضييق دائرة الاشتباه في عقب الكشف عن عمليات سحب لنحو‏3‏ آلاف دولار من حسابات رب الأسرة بعد أيام من وقوع الحادث‏.‏ [/SIZE][/COLOR]

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[COLOR=Blue][SIZE=7][FONT=Times New Roman][CENTER][B]Robbery Cited As Motive in Family Slaying[/B][/CENTER][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]
[SIZE=4][COLOR=Purple][LEFT]By WAYNE PARRY
Associated Press Writer

March 5, 2005, 9:29 AM EST[/LEFT][/COLOR][/SIZE]

[LEFT]JERSEY CITY, N.J. -- The slaying of an Egyptian family that has caused tension between local Christians and Muslims was motivated by robbery, not religious fanaticism, authorities said.

Two men on parole for drug offenses -- one of them the Armanious family's upstairs tenant -- were charged with four counts of murder in the killings.

Many in New Jersey's Coptic Christian community had speculated that Hossam Armanious angered Muslims with opinions he posted in Internet chat rooms under the user name "I Love Jesus."

"I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: The motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money," Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said.

Authorities said Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14, bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their heads and necks.

In the days after the slayings, about $3,000 was withdrawn from Armanious' bank account using his ATM card, and investigators were able to get surveillance video from cameras over those cash machines, officials said.

Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above the family, and Hamilton Sanchez, 30, were arrested Thursday. They pleaded not guilty to murder charges and were ordered held on $10 million bail.

"I didn't kill nobody, man," Sanchez said as he was led from the courtroom.

DeFazio said officials believe a planned robbery spiraled out of control when the 8-year-old loosened her bonds and recognized McDonald. He is accused of killing her to avoid identification, and Sanchez is accused of killing the three others, DeFazio said.

The murders spread fear throughout the region's Coptic Christian community and spurred tensions that erupted in scuffles and anti-Islam slogans being shouted during the family's funeral.

The arrests were welcomed by Christian and Muslim groups who said they were disturbed by the religious tension.

"Everybody is relieved that there is no religious implication behind it," said Maged Riad, a spokesman for the worldwide head of the Coptic Church, Pope Shenouda.[/LEFT]


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