مصر المستباحه من العرب ( العربيه.نت)

[gallant]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة afanous

that's BS. the people who executed the convicted did not create him and therefore have no right whatsoever to take away his life. and the proof of the failure of your reasoning is that these executions did not prevent murderers and rapers from existing in Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic country. Furthermore, developed western coutries that do not apply those barbarian executions never felt the need to adopt the, simply because locking the convicted people in prison for a lifetime is enough to cause other criminals to think twice before commiting a crime.
hope that helps. i urge you to adopt a normal non-barbarian and non-islamic mentality.

I can sniff the bias in your response a mile away.
What you are telling me is that you do not support the death penalty and that is something I can respect you are entitled to your opinion
also as far as it being used as a deterrent, yes your point is well taken in the sense that it might not prevent crimes from hapenning, however it costs a LOT LESS than locking somebody up.
You were so quick to judge me and saying that I have a barbaric mentality, I don't think I deserve to be labelled as such just coz you think I am Muslim. You do not know me

[afanous]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة gallant

I can sniff the bias in your response a mile away.
What you are telling me is that you do not support the death penalty and that is something I can respect you are entitled to your opinion
also as far as it being used as a deterrent, yes your point is well taken in the sense that it might not prevent crimes from hapenning, however it costs a LOT LESS than locking somebody up.
You were so quick to judge me and saying that I have a barbaric mentality, I don't think I deserve to be labelled as such just coz you think I am Muslim. You do not know me

Believe me I can't care less whether you're a Muslim or a Christian or an Atheist.
And you can sniff anything you wish, just please respect my intelligence and don't tell me it's better to start executing people because it costs less than locking them up!!!! How about killing a couple of millions of the Egyptian population in order to overcome the overpopulation problem that's affecting the country??? Isn''t that the same logic?
The human life is far more precious than anything else, and any ideology than preaches anything else is barbarian and sick, at least by the standards of us who live in the west (and I'm not claiming you don't live in the west, since you seem to force into my mouth words I haven't said), just "sniff" what the western sentiment is towards capital punishment (and YES, the west is far more developed and futuristic than the East for the time being).

[gallant]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة afanous

Believe me I can't care less whether you're a Muslim or a Christian or an Atheist.
And you can sniff anything you wish, just please respect my intelligence and don't tell me it's better to start executing people because it costs less than locking them up!!!! How about killing a couple of millions of the Egyptian population in order to overcome the overpopulation problem that's affecting the country??? Isn''t that the same logic?
The human life is far more precious than anything else, and any ideology than preaches anything else is barbarian and sick, at least by the standards of us who live in the west (and I'm not claiming you don't live in the west, since you seem to force into my mouth words I haven't said), just "sniff" what the western sentiment is towards capital punishment (and YES, the west is far more developed and futuristic than the East for the time being).

hmm
You seem to have completely missed my point. I never suggested that EXECUTING people is better than locking them up in prison or that we should execute people to solve the problem of over population. I will try to qualify my statement in way you can understand.
Criminals who do not value the lives of others do not deserve to have my tax money spent on them. I'll give you an example Paul Bernardo. This guy is one of Canada's worst Serial Killers and rapists and it is clear that he DID NOT value the lives of his victims, Now he has to spend the rest of his life in jail. Why should my tax money go twards feeding and sheltering a serial killer? do you get mey point? also regarding your point about how the west feels about the death penalty, you are correct no european country has the death penalty and neither does Canada
However some states do have the death Penalty and it is also supported Fedrally - Just look at how Timothy McVeigh was executed. There is no doubt in my mind that the US Government did the right thing by executing him. I can't wait till you tell me that it would have been better to just lock him up. If any of your loved ones were there in the Oklahoma building would you be satisfied by just having him locked up. I hope I was clear.
I know the death penaly always sparks up a debate and people feel strongly about their views. I don't anticipate you changing your views. I am just trying to explain my POV which is shared by many Americans and Canadians alike.

Cheers

يا شباب ... عذرا . ياريت الكلام في المنتدي دة يكون باللغة العربية عشان معظم الاعضاء يتفاعلوا مع الموضوع ببساطة ويسر ... واذا كان الموضوع يب ان يكون باللغة الانجليزية .. فهناك منتدي بالفعل كامل للغة الانجليزية بالموقع ايض .....

تحياتي وشكرا

[afanous]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة gallant

hmm
You seem to have completely missed my point. I never suggested that EXECUTING people is better than locking them up in prison or that we should execute people to solve the problem of over population. I will try to qualify my statement in way you can understand.
Criminals who do not value the lives of others do not deserve to have my tax money spent on them. I'll give you an example Paul Bernardo. This guy is one of Canada's worst Serial Killers and rapists and it is clear that he DID NOT value the lives of his victims, Now he has to spend the rest of his life in jail. Why should my tax money go twards feeding and sheltering a serial killer? do you get mey point? also regarding your point about how the west feels about the death penalty, you are correct no european country has the death penalty and neither does Canada
However some states do have the death Penalty and it is also supported Fedrally - Just look at how Timothy McVeigh was executed. There is no doubt in my mind that the US Government did the right thing by executing him. I can't wait till you tell me that it would have been better to just lock him up. If any of your loved ones were there in the Oklahoma building would you be satisfied by just having him locked up. I hope I was clear.
I know the death penaly always sparks up a debate and people feel strongly about their views. I don't anticipate you changing your views. I am just trying to explain my POV which is shared by many Americans and Canadians alike.

Cheers

I believe you're the one who have missed the whole point. Locking up people in prison is not sponsored by your tax money. Those people are not locked in 5-stars hotels. They are locked up in prison where they work and produce things that could be sold to benefit the prison. And part of that money is used to feed the prisoner and clean his/her cell.
What is sponsored by tax money in the Middle East right now are the Qoran competitions and the Haj trips to Saudi Arabia, not to mention the anti-Christian media programs.
Don't try to convince me that your point of view is shared by MANY Americans and Canadians. I've lived in both countries and that's not true.
Now, would it be hard for me to see the killer of my family locked in prison instead of executed? Probably. However, that's the power of CHRISTIANITY. It's a religion that is all about forgiveness. When our Lord was being executed on the Holy Cross, He asked for forgiveness of those who were killing Him. Same thing happened with St Steven and many martyrs.
That's why we're Christians.
Hope that helps.
eb2a enjoy Halloween

[afanous]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة غلاباوي

يا شباب ... عذرا . ياريت الكلام في المنتدي دة يكون باللغة العربية عشان معظم الاعضاء يتفاعلوا مع الموضوع ببساطة ويسر ... واذا كان الموضوع يب ان يكون باللغة الانجليزية .. فهناك منتدي بالفعل كامل للغة الانجليزية بالموقع ايض .....

تحياتي وشكرا

حمدلا على سلامتك يا غلباوي. ما تحكيلنا على المظاهرات شويه. انت مش كنت في اسكندريه برضو؟

[fanous2102]

الصول غلابوي كان بيحلم بآعتذار للبابا شنوده و قالها قبل سفره
يعني كان عنده علم الاحداث مترتبه لوضع معين
لكن حساب اداره المخدرات ( المخابرات ) سابقا
طلعت كلها علي مافيش و ال ايه جاره البحث عن من طبع السي دي
جتها نيله اللي عايزه خلف

العملية ناقصة الفانوسين كمان .. كل فانوس فيهم جاي عامل فيها مفتح ..وبيتكلم وخلاص ..
بص يا اندرو ... انا مش فايق دلوقت ومشغول دا لكن هنزل موضوع قريب اوي عن الاحداث اللى حصلت في اسكندرية .. مع صور متصورة حصريا بموبيلي الشخصي .. يعنى صور من قلب الاحداث ...

اما فانوس افندي .. البابا بتاعك سواء اعتذر او معتذرش فالاعتزار مش هيبرر المصيبة اللى اتعملت ولكن بيخففها شوية ...وكان ممكن يهدي النار اللي ولعت دي ... وصدقنى لو قلتلك النار اللي ولعت في اسكندرية ممكن تولع كل يوم في محافظة ,, والسبب تصرف ارعن من ناس مش مسؤولة ومتعدش بقي الضحايا اللى هتحصل من الجانبين .. وياريت متسمعنيش خطبة عصماء في الاستشهاد والتضحية من اجل نيل اكليل الشهادة ومجد الرب والكلام الحلو دة

[zaki]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة غلاباوي

... انا مش فايق دلوقت ومشغول دا لكن هنزل موضوع قريب اوي عن الاحداث اللى حصلت في اسكندرية .. مع صور متصورة حصريا بموبيلي الشخصي .. يعنى صور من قلب الاحداث ...

بس بسرعة علشان عايز اتفرج على صور موبيلك

اة قبل ما انسى اية حكاية حصريآ دى انت اول مرة تشغل الكاميرا بتاعة الموبيل
ولا فاكر ان محدش كان بيصور فى الحدث غيرك

[afanous]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة غلاباوي

العملية ناقصة الفانوسين كمان

معلش اصلنا في رمضان

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة غلاباوي

بص يا اندرو ... انا مش فايق دلوقت

وادي جزات اللي مايسمعش كلمة ماما تقولها. مش تانت قالتلك تبطل اللي بتتعاطاه ده؟

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة غلاباوي

لكن هنزل موضوع قريب اوي عن الاحداث اللى حصلت في اسكندرية .. مع صور متصورة حصريا بموبيلي الشخصي .. يعنى صور من قلب الاحداث ...

اوكى، بس وحياتك لو الصور طلعت حلوة ابقى قللي نوع الموبايل ابو كاميرا بتاعك عشان عايز اجيب واحد

[fanous2102]

لا حضره الصول مش هااسمعك محاضره عن الاستشهاد لانك لن تفهم هذا الكلام
لان مصر لم ترتوي من دم اجدادك...فآنت من جزيره المعيز بتاع اللات واكبر
لكن هاقولك كلمه واحده
زعلتم من سي دي لم يقل اكتر ماقاله عادل امام بآوامر الحكومه
انما حنا لم اتضايقنا من بآحب السيما كان فن ..و احنا ضد الفن وضد الابداع
بس فالحين تعرضوا مسلسلات هابطه زي اوان الورد و بنت من شبرا
العموم ياريت تقول لاداره المخدرات بتعاتكم
ان يدرسوا خطواتهم كويس
و بدل ما تلقو باللوم علي مسرحيه من سنتين
دوروا علي مؤسسي الجرايد الحقيره اللي بتصطاد في الميه العكره
مش ده اولي يكون علي اولويه اهتمامتكم بدل من التظبيط بتاع اداره المخدرات

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة غلاباوي

البابا بتاعك سواء اعتذر او معتذرش فالاعتزار مش هيبرر المصيبة اللى اتعملت ولكن بيخففها شوية ...وكان ممكن يهدي النار اللي ولعت دي ... وصدقنى لو قلتلك النار اللي ولعت في اسكندرية ممكن تولع كل يوم في محافظة ,, والسبب تصرف ارعن من ناس مش مسؤولة ومتعدش بقي الضحايا اللى هتحصل من الجانبين .. وياريت متسمعنيش خطبة عصماء في الاستشهاد والتضحية من اجل نيل اكليل الشهادة ومجد الرب والكلام الحلو دة

للأسف يا غلباوى فقد سقطت من نظرى بعد كلامك ده. فعلا انها مصيبة ما فعله هواة لمدة ساعتين او اقل فى مكان مغلق منذ عامين يدافعون فيها عن عقيدتهم ضد المتطرفين الحثالة المترصدين لهم و ليست مصيبة ما يفعله شيوخك السفلة على مدار 30 عام كاملة من تهكم و ازدراء للمسيحية علنا و الاعلام المقروء و المرئى و المسموع الذى يقوده مجموعة من القوادين الذى يتطاول على المسيحية عشرات المرات كل يوم و كل ساعة فده شئ عادى جدا بالنسبة لكم .

لا يهم عشرات المحلات التى نعبت و حرقت و الشباب الذى ضاع مستقبله و الدولة اكتفت بالمتابعة الامنية و رئيس الدولة المحترم يقول بما معناه العبوا مع بعض متتخانقوش و يدعو الطرفين الى التسامح!! يعنى بيقول اننا غلطانين برضة.

هل سترينا مشاهد تدنيس الانجيل و حرقه و الذى قام به الاقذار فى الصور التى تدعى انها بحوزتك؟؟ و لا هتتكسف؟؟

اما من تلاعب بالنار فأنت تعلم جيدا ان شيوخ امن الدولة هم السبب و كانوا يتوقعون ان يطلعوا منها فائزين و محققين مكاسب سياسية للنظام المهترئ الذى يحرسونه لكن خاب ظنهم و انقلب السحر على الساحر.

لا اريد ان اكتب المزيد لأنى فعلا قرفان منك و من اخوانك لكن كما قلت لك مرات من قبل يكفيكم المصير الابدى الذى لا نهاية له الذى تستحقونه جراء ما تفعلوه فى شعب مسالم.

[gallant]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة afanous

I believe you're the one who have missed the whole point. Locking up people in prison is not sponsored by your tax money. Those people are not locked in 5-stars hotels. They are locked up in prison where they work and produce things that could be sold to benefit the prison. And part of that money is used to feed the prisoner and clean his/her cell.
What is sponsored by tax money in the Middle East right now are the Qoran competitions and the Haj trips to Saudi Arabia, not to mention the anti-Christian media programs.
Don't try to convince me that your point of view is shared by MANY Americans and Canadians. I've lived in both countries and that's not true.
Now, would it be hard for me to see the killer of my family locked in prison instead of executed? Probably. However, that's the power of CHRISTIANITY. It's a religion that is all about forgiveness. When our Lord was being executed on the Holy Cross, He asked for forgiveness of those who were killing Him. Same thing happened with St Steven and many martyrs.
That's why we're Christians.
Hope that helps.
eb2a enjoy Halloween

Isn't the religios right is the main backer of the death Penalty in the US? I beleive so
To Suggest that MANY American and Canadians do not support the death penalty because of your experience in both countries is Antecdotal at best and misleading at worst.
There is a big move here for tougher penalties since our legal System here is a joke, but I highly doubt that the death penalty would be reinstated. I also hear from a lot of the Canadian consevatives the phrase "An eye for an eye" which is taken from the bible I beleive.
And I will enjoy Halloween too I am going trick or treating with my wife and daughter, Can you say Dentist bill$ , damn

[afanous]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة gallant

Isn't the religios right is the main backer of the death Penalty in the US? I beleive so
To Suggest that MANY American and Canadians do not support the death penalty because of your experience in both countries is Antecdotal at best and misleading at worst.
There is a big move here for tougher penalties since our legal System here is a joke, but I highly doubt that the death penalty would be reinstated. I also hear from a lot of the Canadian consevatives the phrase "An eye for an eye" which is taken from the bible I beleive.
And I will enjoy Halloween too I am going trick or treating with my wife and daughter, Can you say Dentist bill$ , damn

I'm afraid nothing is more anecdotal than your English and your manner of thinking.
I explained to you how you're not paying a cent for the criminals locked up in prison, and I'm telling you that all Americans and Canadians, and I'm repeating "ALL", with whom I've spoken totally disagree with the death penalty and call it barbarian and so do I.
Whether or not you wanna learn and understand that's your problem, but the entire civilized world is opposed to that barbarism.

[gallant]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة afanous

I'm afraid nothing is more anecdotal than your English and your manner of thinking.
I explained to you how you're not paying a cent for the criminals locked up in prison, and I'm telling you that all Americans and Canadians, and I'm repeating "ALL", with whom I've spoken totally disagree with the death penalty and call it barbarian and so do I.
Whether or not you wanna learn and understand that's your problem, but the entire civilized world is opposed to that barbarism.

So answer my question
Who is supporting the death penalty in the US? Just answer that one
And yes it costs money to lockup prisoners