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ثانيا : من جهة أخرى أود أن أعلن أننى شاهدت جزء من المسرحيه المذكوره من خلال الرابط الذى كان موجودا هنا , و الحقيقه اننى اعترض تماما على ان تعرض الكنيسه امر مثل هذا , انا شخصيا كتبت و اخرجت عشرات المسرحيات للكنيسه و لم اتعرض مره واحده للاسلام او المسلمين من قريب او من بعيد , و اعتقد ان عمل مسرحيه للكنيسه امانه تماثل تماما القاء وعظه او درس تعليمى و لم يحدث من قبل ان سمعنا ان الكنيسه تعظ بما يمس المسلمين او غيرهم بأى شكل .

في بعض الأحيان عندما تؤثر الهرطقات على أبنائك وبناتك ، لابد من التصرف ، وعرض الهرطقات باسلوب جاد وليس اسلوب ساخر ، وما رأيته في المسرحية ، رأيته بعيني في مرحلة سابقة
وممكن أن أقول لك ، أن المسرحية قصة حقيقية حدثت للكثيرين

[yaweeka]

Egyptian Police Guard Coptic Church Attacked by Muslims



ALEXANDRIA, Egypt, Oct. 22 - Riot police forces armed with shotguns guarded a Coptic Christian church here on Saturday, a day after Muslim protesters tried to storm the building in a demonstration that was broken up when security forces d tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd.

Three people were killed and many more injured in what officials called the worst case of sectarian violence to strike this Mediterranean city in recent memory. The streets remained tense Saturday, and many people warned that foreigners were not welcome. The mood in the city was sour and explosive.


People are very, very provoked," said Ahmed Ali Mahmoud, 25, a pharmacist whose shop is opposite St. George's Coptic Church. "They are boiling."

While relations between faiths are often tolerant, if tense, in Egypt, there have been signs recently of growing strain between Egypt's Coptic Christians and Muslims.

On Friday, thousands of demonstrators took to the streets in this city, apparently angry over a play that was performed two years ago in the church, and was recently distributed on video disc. Though few people interviewed Saturday said they actually saw the play or the DVD, the word on the street was it was anti-Islamic.

It was unclear who was giving out the DVD, and church officials, as well as local residents, speculated its distribution may somehow be connected to the upcoming parliamentary elections, where aggravating sectarian tensions could help certain candidates win votes.

"Raising this now, is to be looking for a problem to break national unity," the church said in a statement issued Saturday. "We believe that this problem was raised in light of the coming parliamentary elections."


Alexandria, an ancient city founded by Alexander the Great, two hours north of Cairo, is home to one of the country's larger Coptic Christian communities. Of Egypt's 74 million people, more than 90 percent are Muslim, mostly Sunnis, and about 8 to 10 percent are Christian, mostly Copts. Islam is the official state religion, and all legislation is supposed to be based on the Islamic code.

Technically, Christianity is tolerated because it does not conflict with the Islamic code. The government bristles at any criticism regarding the status of Christians in this country, insisting they are treated as equals, though there has been some evidence of institutional discrimination. Few Christians hold high positions in the military and security forces, for example, and efforts to build or repair churches are often blocked.

But there also is a very clear sense of division that comes across when talking to people here.

Many Christians tattoo a cross on the inside of the their children's wrist when they are born, a mark that permanently affirms their identity. In Alexandria, several shopkeepers and pedestrians spoke of their waning patience for their Christian neighbors, and of a sense that their tolerance has been taken for granted and abused.

"Did we make plays that insult the Christians?" said the pharmacist, Mr. Ali Mahmoud. "They will pay the price in terms of their security, comfort, and now no priest will be able to walk in the streets."

Tensions began to spill over earlier in the week over the play, titled "I Was Blind But Now I Can See." The play supposedly tells the story of a young Christian who converts to Islam and becomes disillusioned. It was performed at the church one day only two years ago, according to the church statement. Somehow it touched a nerve, aggravating what Milad Hanna, a Coptic writer based in Cairo, said was evidence of a "sickness" in society.

The play apparently came to the public's attention after two local newspapers wrote about it. Then last week a young man stabbed a nun inside a church. People began demonstrating outside the church, which is located between two mosques in the center of Alexandria, after attending Friday Prayer services.

A shoemaker, who said his name was Muhammad Abdo, said that police first d tear gas into the crowd, which only served to anger those in the streets. The crowd, he said, then went wild with people turning over cars and lighting them on , smashing storefronts and looting a gold shop.

"No one will stop until they give a formal apology," Mr. Abdo said, adding that he heard the play denied a central tenet of the Islamic faith - that Muhammad was God's prophet.

Ibrahim Atta, a Christian who was selling fruit on a street corner not far from the church, said his Muslim neighbors must be mistaken about the play. "We would never do something like that," he said. "It must be someone who is trying to incite some sort of schism."

As he was speaking, a customer named Saad came up and agreed. "I am Muslim, he is Christian, we are like brothers," said Saad, who would not give his last name because of the tense situation. "This is ignorant and irresponsible behavior that must have something to do with the upcoming elections."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/in...tories%2fEgypt

طيب يا حاج ياويكا
طالما بتكلمنا بالعنكليزي هنردو عليك بالعنكليزي
شفتم المصيبة؟؟
الى كل من صوت لأيمن نور في الانتخابات الرئاسية يروح يراجع نفسه
http://au.news.yahoo.com/051022/19/wh0q.html
Sunday October 23, 01:16 AM


Deadly intercommunal riots in Alexandria
ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (AFP) - The usually peaceful Egyptian city of Alexandria was reeling from riots that left three dead and pitted police and Muslims protesting a play they charge is offensive to Islam.

The clashes -- which also left some 60 wounded -- were some of the worst intercommunal violence Egypt has seen in years, underscoring the fragile religious balance of the Arab world's most populous country.

Some 5,000 Muslims had gathered Friday outside the Saint Girgis Coptic Orthodox church to protest against the recent DVD release of an amateur play produced by the city's Christian community.

Bludgeon-wielding riot police tried to contain the angry mob before lunging into the crowd and firing tear gas grenades. Witnesses also said police d rubber bullets.

The interior ministry said in a statement it responded to "radical elements in the crowd" but the opposition Ghad party candidate for the upcoming parliamentary polls said security provoked the protestors.

"The government is responsible for what happened. Some policemen incited the demonstrators and deliberately wound them up. Also, they used gas and rubber bullets instead of water cannons," Tamer Harfush told AFP.

The interior ministry said one man later died in hospital of wounds sustained during the clashes. Security sources speaking on condition of anonymity said two other demonstrators were killed when police opened on the crowd.

The interior ministry statement also said 53 people had been arrested.

The demonstrators had last week handed the church an ultimatum for a public apology by Coptic Pope Shenuda III that expired unheeded on Friday.

Entitled "I was blind and now I can see", the play tells the story of a Christian who converts to Islam and is disillusioned.

The play was first performed two years ago and it was not clear whether the Muslim demonstration had been organised by a specific group of was spontaneous.

"The play compares Islam and Christianity, Jesus and the Prophet Mohammed, presenting the first as a man who sacrificed his life and the second as more preoccupied with earthly pleasures," Harfush explained.

Ramzi Abd el-Nessim, from the Coptic patriarchate in Alexandria, did not comment on the content of the play but denied any attempt to provoke the country's Muslim majority by releasing the DVD on the market.

"The play was performed only once two years ago and we don't know who distributed the DVD nor how it was produced in the first place," he told AFP.

On Saturday, a large contingent of riot police was deployed and the main road in the Moharram Bek neighbourhood where the violence erupted was opened only to the city's trademark trams.

"There were thugs and looters who took advantage of the situation yesterday but today I will open my shop anyway, I hope calm will return to the neighbourhood," said Mahmud Abdelrazzek, who owns a wallpaper shop.

Alexandria, which lies 200 kilometres (120 miles) north of Cairo, is the country's second largest city was once the symbol of cosmopolitan Egypt and religious diversity.

Egypt's Coptic Christians represent only 10 percent of the country's population of 73 million and have felt increasingly threatened by hardline Muslims.

The latest violence sets a tense backdrop to the November elections for Egypt's parliament, where Copts are very poorly represented.

On January 2, 2000, violent intercommunal clashes broke out in the small Upper Egypt village of Kosheh, leaving 19 Coptic Christians and one Muslim dead.

Abd el-Nessim said Pope Shenuda III cancelled an annual "national unity" iftar -- the meal that breaks the day-long fast of Muslims during the month of Ramadan -- he was supposed to share with Muslim clerics in Alexandria Saturday.

But in front of the church Saturday, Alexandria Governor Abdelsalam Mahgub played down the incident and told AFP that "the iftar was not cancelled but only postponed and would eventually be even bigger than originally planned."

بالذمة من اللي شفناه ، هل كلامه حقيقي؟؟ ايه قلة الأدب دي
هو كان عايز يفرق 15000 بني آدم بمدفع المية؟؟ مش هتكفيهم أي مية دول
ولا عايز يفرقهم بالكلمة الطيبة؟!!
مراسل كان هناك ، وقال لي يا ساويرس أعداد الأمن كانت غير كافية نهائي وكان فيه تخاذل من القيادات الأمنية في الرد على المتظاهرين
يعني الناس دي مكانتش ناقصة استثارة وكانوا جايين أصلا يدمروا ويحرقوا ويموتوا
الله ينتقم منهم

[fanous2102]

بقي عايزين تفهموني ان الامن ماقدرش علي الهجوم بتاع الاسكندريه
و بيقدر علي مظاهرات الطلبه و مصانع حلوان اللي كانت بتقوم قبل كده
اذا ماكنش ده تقاعص امني ده يكون ايه
اذا ماكنش ده تكويس من قمل الدوله واداره المخدرات للمسلمين الحراميه و محترفي النهب
لاموال المسيحيين بفتاوي اسلاميه ده يبقي ايه

[yaweeka]

اقرا الكلام كويس يا ساويرس
الرجل بيلوم الحكومة انها كانت بتحرض الجماهير ، وده اللى حصل يوم الجمعة الماضية
وانها لجأت للعنف بعد ما الموضوع تطور
وهو ده اللى حصل
واللى كتب التقرير خلط بين الاثنين

يعنى الحكومة هى اللى شعللتها فى الأول


وبعدين اللى صوت للغد ممكن يقول لك عمل لنا ايه مبارك اللى وقفت وراه الكنيسة؟
يعنى ما فيش ولا مرشح قبطى حتى على قوائم حزبه غير يوسف غالى

بلاش نفتح السيرة دى وبلاش تحول مسار الموضوع
مش وقته

[fredy_kroger]

شفتم المصيبة؟؟
الى كل من صوت لأيمن نور في الانتخابات الرئاسية يروح يراجع نفسهhttp://au.news.yahoo.com/051022/19/wh0q.htm

يا اخي الحبيب ساويرس ....

اسمح لي اختلف معاك في هذا الكلام ....

اولا : تصريحات الاخ تامر حمروش مرشح حزب الغد عن دائرة محرم بك هي تصريحات غير مسؤلة اطلاقا لان تامر حمروش و انت تعلم اني اعرفة شخصيا صغير السن لم يتعدي 30 عام و ليس لة اي منصب قيادي في الحزب .

ثانيا : من خبرتي الشخصية في حزب الغد اعرف ان هناك العديد من المشاكل بين قيادات الحزب و بين تامر حمروش نتيجة الاختلاف في التوجهات .

ثالثا : من الخطا مؤاخذة القيادات الكبري في الحزب علي افعال و اقوال شاب متهور .

رابعا : لا يمكن اغفال ان حزب الغد هو اول حزب في التاريخ المصري يقدم 12 مرشح قبطي لانتخابات مجلس الشعب في خطوة غير مسبوقة تؤكد توجة الحزب لاعطاء الاقباط حقوقهم مع ملاحظة ان الحزب الوطني (الكنيسة هي الحزب الوطني كما قال الانبا كيرلس) قدم 2 مرشحين فقط !!!!!!!!!!!!!

خامسا : رغم موقف قداسة البابا من تأييد مبارك الا ان ايمن نور قال بالحرف في اجتماع الجمعية العمومية و معنا تسجيل بذلك يوم 20 سبتمبر(رغم بيانات التأييد التي صدرت من القيادات الدينية و رغم رفضنا لتلك البيانات الا اننا نتفهم تماما الضغوط علي تلك القيادات و نكن كل احترام و تقدير لقداسة البابا المعظم الانبا شنودة و نهنئة و كل الاقباط بعيد النيروز ).

سادسا : يا ساويرس رجاء في السياسة نحن نحاسب علي الافعال و ليس الاقوال و اوعدك اني ساتكلم مع قيادات الحزب و ابلغهم ادانتنا لتصريحات تامر بالرغم من عدم اهميتها لنا (عشانك انت بس يا جميل )

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