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29-10-2005
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االاخ جوي
مرحبا بك فى المنتدى تقول ان اصدقائك المسلمين تضايقوا مما حدث فى الاسكندرية و انهم لا يتحدثون معك فى الامور الدينية و وصفتهم بالصالحين فى كلامك و هذا شئ جميل جدا لكن دعنى اسألك:- هل اصدقائك متدنيين ام لا لأنهم لو كانوا متدنيين لكان أول شئ فعلوه هو تجنبك لأن المتدين يعرف انه لا يجب ان يبدأ اليهود و ال***** بالسلام و لا يهنئهم فى اعيادهم لأنه هذا كفر الخ من هذه الأمور العنصرية البغيضة التى يعرفها المسلمون من شيوخهم المرضى. المسلم الحقيقى يؤيد و يبارك ما حدث من اعتداءات همجية على المسيحيين لانها من وجهه نظره المريضة اعتداء على حرمة الرسول و الاسلام و الكتب المقدسة التى حرقت و رميها على الارض لا يهمه ما حدث لها لانه فى قرارة نفسه يقول انها محرفة و تحض على الكفر. لكن لأن اصدقائك درسوا فى مدارس رهبان (كما فهمت من كلامك انك تجيد الفرنسية قبل الانجليزية) فأنهم لا يعتبروا من وجهة نظر الاسلام مسلمين حقيقيين!! فما رأيك فى هذا الكلام ؟؟؟ تحياتى. آخر تعديل بواسطة hanysamir ، 29-10-2005 الساعة 05:35 PM 
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30-10-2005
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up for joey>>>
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30-10-2005
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عزيزى جو، على فكرة أنا بكتب عربى بإستخدام الصفحة الآتية:
http://www.zeitun-eg.org/keyb.htm بالنسبة لسؤالك الوجية، إسمحلى أضيف رأيى. عجبتنى نظرتك العملية لقضية الأقباط علشان كدة هحاول أرد عليك بنفس الطريقة. شوف يا جو لكل فعل رد فعل مساوى فى القوة و مضاد فى الإتجاة، دى حاجة بتنطبق مش فى الفزياء و بس لكن حتى فى العلوم الإجتماعية. من ساعة ما دخل العرب مصر و هم بيضغطوا على المصريين إنهم يغيروا دينهم للإسلام سواء بالجزية أو بغيرة من أساليب التعسف و كان رد فعل الأقباط هو الإنغلاق على نفسهم للمحافظة على ما يمكن من قبطيتهم و الخضوع لمطالب المسلمين فما النتيجة؟ إن مصر أصبحت 90% منها مسلمين! فى برضة حقائق تانية لازم تعرفها. الجزية فضلت مفروضة على الأقباط لحد أيام محمد على أى إن إلغائها شئ حديث نسبيا. إن حتى أثناء حكم الملوك كان فية إضطهاد للأقباط بالذات اللى حالهم المالى متواضع. اللى حصل فى محرم بية مش حادث منفرد لكن حلقة فى سلسلة فيها الكشح و الزاوية الحمرا إلخ. أنا عايزك تاخد خطوة للوراء و تبص على الصورة من بعيد و تقوللى بصراحة هل فلحت سياسة الأقباط لحد الآن و لو فضلنا على ما نحن علية، إية مصير القبط فى حضن دولة ينخفض فيها مستوى المعيشة و يتفشى الفساد و الراديكالية الإسلامية بإستمرار؟
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31-10-2005
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Hi Hany,
ansewring your question, if they are true muslims or not ... well they fast ramadan, pray almost 5 times per day and og course they believe in their prophet Does that make them bad? please don't say yes, first of all they didn't choose their religion, not all ppl are born christians and let's face't, not every1 human being is going to know about Jesus and believe in him ... maybe they are blind, but still not bad ppl I know what you mean, the Islam point of view of christianity, but if you mention this ideas to them (my friends) ... they think it's extreem ideas and only terrorists who would think so Plz Hany, check the start of my topic ... I didn't deny anything they do, I blamed them .. but I'm just trying to state my point of view, that we should never insult because of religion. maybe I'm different person, I don't mind having a friend who doesn't even believe in God ... coz some1's religion is not my business ... maybe I was raised this way Mena, I understand Islamic history believe me but would you like to be judged by your history, it's not even your history, it's ur grand parents history guys, we live in open world now ... whether you like't or not, you gonna live with different ppl, religions, color, nationalty wise don't judge some1 by his religion no 1 answered when I asked if you have muslim friends, I assume you don't but why? never met bad christians? I just don't think insulting other suits christianity, I'm not used to that ask for your demands, discuss other religions but with respect even if they don't... I hope I cleared my point I'm sorry again about writing in English, I hope it doesn't bother you much. I just tried use your program, it's very nice but i'm still not used to it ... I promise I try later Peace آخر تعديل بواسطة Joey ، 31-10-2005 الساعة 02:19 AM
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إقتباس:
you are right .. and also Never Judge a Religion by it's People, Judge a Religion by it's ******ure and if your friends don't believe in this ******ure as it is, So, I ask you to tell them to go and read it then decide if they will keep their faith as muslims or not http://www.geocities.com/a_true_picture_of_islam/
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معجزة محمد الواحدة والوحيدة هى أنه أقنع من البشرالمغفلين مايزيد على مليار ونصف يصلون عليه آناء الليل واطراف النهار ومن المؤكد أنه لن يعترض على كلامي هذا إلا غلماانه نازفى المؤخرات وحورياته كبيرات المقعدات " كن رجلا ولا تتبع خطواتي " حمؤة بن أمونة آخر تعديل بواسطة knowjesus_knowlove ، 31-10-2005 الساعة 02:33 AM
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31-10-2005
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Dear brother
This is gona be a very long reply from me 1. when u say diversity let us take example of the U.S.A so u could see what kind of diversity you are talking about, you see all kinds of ppl but in the same time you do not see any discrimination. may be a little but u almost can not see it and when i visited that website i was angery too, and almost could not believe that is stuff is really happening in Egypt till one day i was sitting down with couple of muslims under a tree trying to get some group running and came an American guy and a girl told him you do not have any money this week to go party? he said no my aid money is gone and do not have any for fun. she said why do not u take some money and u do not have to pay it but i want to show you the mosqui here he said but i do not have to do anything right? she said no you just come and sit down there and el sheikh will take care of you two weeks passed and guy came with kor2an in his hands then i woke up, and i said to myself hellllllllo do not u remember ur highschool days in egypt do not u remember when u used to walk in the street and say bad things do not u remember guys who thought u r only a sex object because u r a chrstian copt so that is all came to me once and believed it more when i went to Egypt myself and saw all kind of discrimination myself i even got accused that i work with Israel lol and came to egypt to convert muslims, because i said 72o2 el 2bat in the train to the girl sitting next to me 2. your friends are good because they pray 5 times a day and fast ramadan why they fast?and pray all this? to reach god ready for some fun truth in christianity you do not reach for god, god is always reaching down for you salvation in ur hands we are trying here to get our rights back to our brothers, may be we escaped the discrimination but we feel for our rights in our home which is egypt and all the middle east world do not u think copts in sudi should have church? 3. when brother yaweeka and Mrs ana 7or they are trying to answer you and they r fighting to get to you the full truth God bless you
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From all the things i have lost i miss my mind the most http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMePM...layer_embedded
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31-10-2005
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إقتباس:
I am afraid the picture seems reversed here, I get the feeling that you think we are acting against Islam when infact we are REacting against injustice. I am very happy to hear that your muslim friends are good people, fantastic! but you can't tell me that the muslim brotherhood is a bunch of good people! There are good muslims and bad muslims just like good Christians and bad Christians but what do the bad christians do? do they want to hurt muslims? do they want to convert them to Christianity? No they don't so why is it that the "bad" muslims want to do these things to Christians? I agree that insulting Islam is not the best way forward but we also know that keeping silent doesn't work, if you know the Coptic history I am sure you don't need me to tell you that. So even though I share your opinion I can't be too much of a critic when I don't have an alternative idea myself. The question I have for you is: Do you think the Copts live in Egypt as equal citizens and have absoluely equal rights? and if not, how do you propose we fix that?
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