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#1
28-03-2006
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hypothetical faith
why do u only understand the word (sheep or the lamb of god , and alot other expressions ) in the bible as metaphoric ( figurative and medatores ) and alot of other words and things ( like father and son and other) are not just the same metaphorical expressions but you change them into real facts ??? and why can't those words be metaphoric or metaphors also ???? tell and when and how did Jesus tell u those words (*father and *son - *me and father are one **Ur saviour,,,,,,,,,) are real facts and not just metaphorical sayings????? or how the holy spirit told u its real facts and not metaphoric ???? in case - how would you recognise the holy spirit ? ( read the false prophets ) give me any evidence from your bible or whenever to show me such words ( father and son and me and father in one blablabla )are real facts and not metaphorical expressions ? but do not prove a metaphoric verses with other metaphorical verses ,,, then u will know if u r fooling yourself or not i think if you r sheep and Jesus is the lamb of god and alot of other expressions are just alot of metaphoric expressions then why are not (son and father and saviour and i and the father are one blablabla ) why are they not just metaphorical also , and not real facts .. but why did u have to change them into facts ? this is the question , ( read the easy forgiveness ) , it could be , i will not tell you i am sure about it , and maybe you can ask me if i have any evidence to consider such expressions as a metaphorical expressions or not , gladly i will say yes i do have them , too many of them, but you r to blind to read or think , you don't even have the chance to question the bible or question your self .but , before i am going on tell you my evidence i would like to remind you with this verse from your bible .... Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, be judge righteous judgement. so i think after reading this verse you should try to understand and open your eyes and your mind because you will not make the right judgement without having any intention to understand ,and the bible says read and try to understand because its not just the external meanings and not also to judge according to the appearance well . according to the bible verses it can be all just metaphorical expressions and let us see some evidences to to know it is ,,, 1-) check the bible dictionary (Greek -English) , father --G3962---πατήρ--patēr--pat-ayr' Apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote)- father, parent. son ----H1121---בּן --- bên ----bane From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., 2) all the bible verses which u consider it as abnormal nature for god who u make him into Jesus , no one can accept it but only in fiction movies or midnight stories , so it just metaphorical expressions 3) all the bible verses which stated Jesus as human and prophet and son of man are evidences , or it gonna be just contradictions , 4) all the bible verses which stated Jesus he was praying and talking to god , cause god would not pray and talk to himself ,, it cant be 5) the bible verses which stated Jesus sitting (sometimes standing ) on the right hand of god , cause no one will be sitting on his right hand , it cant be 6) all the bible verses which stated Jesus calling the people to pray for god not to himself 7) Jesus never said iam the god and worship me , in clear verse and not metaphorical 8) all the verses which says ( god AND Jesus ) there's not explanation for this (AND) between god and Jesus if they are the same one 9) saviour in the bible just one of metaphoric expressions , simply because the one who has the power to save you would be able to save himself from the start , but he couldn't according to Ur beliefs 10) Jesus was  ing scream out loud afraid to death - that's mean it was not his choice to sacrifice himself for u , and salvation to save you just metaphorical __expression 11 ) the contradiction when u say he was full man and full god , then later u say he was a man , later he was a god , i think u mean he was part time god !!! 12) the crucifixion of god to forgive Adam and to you making god into sadism--- crucifixion =torture god or his son = your forgiveness 13) crucifixion making god with limited power that he couldn't save you without being murdered through some creation he made ---psychotic book 14 ) if god had the power to create Adam and Jesus and all those creatures---- why would god let his creation excruciating him to get martyrdom ( him or his son) to forgive them later on while he can forgive us with just a word ?? no way 15) god with all his power will lay down his life just to show you how much he loves you by hanging on the cross bleeding and helpless when we can see it in different millions ways how much he loves us everyday ????? no way 16 ) even the bible is asking ------------ Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. ???????? 17) there's no one single verse which it says god sent Jesus to be sacrificed . (not a metaphorical verse ) 18) on the legalisation side --------if god gave the Jews who killed Jesus the life , power , the strength , the material (the cross) to kill his son or himself that's means so god helped those people to murder his son or maybe he commit suicide!!! no way ( the bible is just a story of fancy crime ) 19) as example--when u call any older man (father ) or u call any little boy (son ) does it mean its real fatherhood ? or its figuratively and rhetorically ? 20 )as example--- when u tell Ur Friends (me and my lover are one ) does it means u r two humans or you r as close as one e ??? 
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28-03-2006
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21 ) as example ----if u created or invented robots and one of those robots made a mistake would u hang yourself or Ur son in front of the other robots to forgive the other robots mistake ?
22 ) there's no one single evidence to prove those words are real facts and not metaphorical so why with Ur thick minds do u understand as just real facts ?? 23) the book of god cant be full with porno and fancy stories and blood 24 ) the word (son of god ) was not only about Jesus but its related with alot of others have such metaphoric __expression ,,,,,,, Luke 3:38 who was the son of Enos, who was the son of Seth, who was the son of Adam, who was the son of God. 25) all the verse which stated god is greater and good more than Jesus prove that they are not the same one and in alot of verse's Jesus denied himself as god 26 ) all the verses which stated that god sent Jesus and it was all gods will not his will and there are too many other evidences also that its not the word of god and its not real facts , although u make yourself believe it , as example ------ Joh 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. Joh 5:30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgement is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. Joh 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me what does it means (my own will ) and (the will of god ) ??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus says no one has seen the father but me .. later he says , who has seen me has see the father ------ this is contradiction Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. the question is -- does that mean he was before Abraham as aprophet or a god ?? if as a god why would god compare himself with a creature (Abraham) he made why before Abraham only , why not before anybody before Abraham --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- some people say cause there's 3 bears recorded in heaven , even if its right then what is wrong there are 3 bears in heaven , is the only 3 bears in heaven or there alot of other things there ?? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ur not sheeps of Jesus , he been sent only for the lost sheeps of Israel >>so Israelis people are the only sheeps , but not you , but seems Ur so snoops M't:15:24: But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- how come Jesus said u r his sheep and later says man is better more than sheeps ???????? is it contradiction ?? Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:------------------------------------ Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. although Ur calling Jesus a lamb , and u r his sheep , sheep are older and bigger the shepherd give the sheeps to the butcher ,, who is the butcher according to the bible i wonder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ any way you have already alot of other evidence which you don't like to accept , so let us say , that u don't even understand what u call it Ur bible and don't forget whenever u read the bible again those words , father and son and blablabla is just metaphorical expressions and not real facts as u make it , at least think about it , but let us try to understand why , the reason that Eastern area and cultures use alot of figurative expressions e.g like the language in writing letters or books and others words with examples and deep meaning , its literal language which you can't and u don't understand it either but eastern people do understand it , its not external meaning for the words and the phrases but you should try to understand it as a meaning not as a real facts , like Jews in this time used to call god (father ) which it means the one who protects and supports and lead his sons to the right way , but not as a real father and it not a fatherhood , and many other expressions ,,then it has all been effected with roman, Greek, Pharaoh beliefs which they all believed once upon atime that human and kings could and can be gods .also. My father and your father, my God and your God” (John 20:17
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#3
29-03-2006
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so now its better to start to think
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#5
17-04-2006
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i think you dont have nothing to reply with better for you
just keep on reading
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