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من مع قضيتنا !!!!
They may well be right. The Armanious family was devoutly Coptic Christian — an ancient orthodox Egyptian sect that has long suffered from discrimination and coercion in largely Muslim Egypt. Armanious did something in America that he wouldn't dare try in his native Egypt: He attempted to convert Muslims to Christianity. That, say members of the local Coptic community, angered Islamic extremists and led to the murder. New Jersey police say they have no proof it was religious murder and are still considering robbery among the motives, although Armanious was far from rich and family jewelry was found untouched in the house. Hudson County Prosecutor Edward De Fazio tells me he doesn't believe it was religious murder, although he also won't rule it out. Local Coptic Christians, understandably, think otherwise. The Armanious family was found bound, gagged and stabbed multiple times — a murder style that follows a Koranic pre******ion for ritual execution, according to Michael Meunier, a representative of the the U.S. Copts Association. "This was no robbery," a frightened-looking New York City Coptic shopkeeper whispered to me recently. "Arabs did it." The fears of our country's Coptic community are even more understandable in light of what is happening to Christians across the Arab world. "Christians, natives of Arab countries, are escaping their countries of origin," says Iraqi columnist Majid Azaza. "The reason is the harassment to which they are subjected by government agencies on the one hand, and extremist groups on the other hand, in countries they have inhabited for thousands of years." Azaza says that Lebanese Christians — once a solid majority — continue to emigrate by the thousands as a result of the pressures placed upon them by Lebanon's growing Islamic fundamentalists. In Saudi Arabia, organized Christian religious worship is outlawed altogether - even for the oil-rich kingdom's foreign workers. In Egypt, Copts say their community is subject to new discrimination in work, even violent attacks, and the forceful abduction and conversion of their daughters to Islam. In Palestinian areas, says Azaza, "Christians are becoming almost extinct." Thirty years ago, 70% of the population of Bethlehem was Christian Arab. Today, the traditional birthplace of Jesus is more than 70% Muslim. "People are afraid not only of the Arab versus Israeli violence, but of Muslim extremist pressure on us," a Christian businessman told me on a recent visit. "They want our land, they want our businesses, they want our children." In light of this worldwide persecution, it's time to find out who slaughtered the Armanious family and why. 
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04-03-2005
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اضغط هنا لمشاهدة تقرير اخبارى
هناك اعلان فى بداية التقرير http://cf.wnbc.com/ny/sh/videoplayer...52048&owner=ny
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04-03-2005
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Neighbor, Other Man Charged In Family's Slaying
JERSEY CITY, N.J. -- The upstairs neighbor of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January was charged Friday, along with another man, in the murders. Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above Hossam Armanious and his family, pleaded not guilty to four counts of felony murder. Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges and also pleaded not guilty. Sanchez during a court hearing began  ing as he stood before a judge, his hands cuffed behind his back."I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people," Sanchez said, as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald stared at the floor during the hearing. Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses, were ordered held on $10 million cash bail. Authorities said Armanious, 47; his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children -- Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 -- were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14. Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said the killings took place in the course of a robbery by the two men, who owed a large sum of money to a person whom DeFazio would not identify. Police went to the Armanious home after relatives were unable to contact the family for several days. All four victims were found bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their throats. DeFazio said that during the robbery Monica Armanious had managed to loosen the bonds with which she was bound and gagged and recognized McDonald as the upstairs tenant. McDonald killed her out of fear of being identified and Sanchez killed the other three people, DeFazio said. McDonald was taken into custody Thursday and charged later that night. Sanchez was arrested Thursday night and charged Friday. Developments in the slayings had intensified in recent days as authorities revealed that thousands of dollars had been withdrawn from Armanious' bank account using his ATM card in the days after the slayings. McDonald's aunt, who would only identify herself by her first name, Marie, told The Star-Ledger of Newark that he was not involved in the slayings. "He's innocent," she said in Friday's newspapers. "He's not that kind of person." The slayings created tension between Christians and Muslims here and in northern New Jersey. The Armaniouses were Coptic Christians, and Hossam Armanious frequented Internet chat rooms, posting opinions under the user name "I Love Jesus." Friends of the family speculated that he might have angered Muslims with those online posts, and many Coptics in New Jersey and elsewhere blamed Islamic extremists for the killings. "I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: The motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money," DeFazio said. http://www.wnbc.com/news/4252691/detail.html
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I am not about to challenge the police authority of NJ or their competence, but there are some points that are strange in the last news report posted by admin1:
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- I am not trying to defend the arrested men, for I do not know them, nor am I insisting on accusing a certain group with murder. It would make no difference for the victims, but if the truth is not out, it will make a great difference for the Coptic society. - DeFazio, from day one, has seemed to be totally negligent of the religious factors in the case, or unwilling to incorporate them in his theory to solve the case. He might be still right, I am not challenging his work, but other factors greater than him may play a role. Muslims organization have oil money in the States, they have politicial power by buying politicians in their pockets, and they can direct the investigations any direction they want. Armanios family (may they all rest in peace) were not the most wealthy family in NJ, which would cast many doubts on the robbery motive. - The bigger picture is: There is no place in this World that is not in the dominion of the devil, as such, the real believers will be persecuted where ever they go. It will be just different coverage for the crimes against us, from total and outrageous support to crimes by government like the Koshah and Obu Welams incidents, to very slizzy and wishy washy , double faced and politically correct approach in the West. Result is the same. - I entreat all my brothers to act in a more wise way in political situations, knowing that politics is won by money, power, good presentation and influence rather than loud voice and appealing to a non existent human conscience. - I liked the effort byMr Micheal Muneer in presenting the point of view of the Coptic society. He did a good job and that is exactly what I am talking about. Politics is a shreud game.
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05-03-2005
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الحادثة كانت واكلة قلبى زيكم واكتر... لكن ماليش أى تعليق عليها فى 11 صفحة... مش أنا أذكى منكم لكن حريص شوية عنكم... وياريت نتعلم بدال ما نبقى زى الجماعة بتوع كير نسبق الأحداث ونتفلسف وبعدين لما تحصل حاجة بصحيح ميكونش لكلامنا اى مصداقية... الله يسامحكم
يارب أعطى شعبك بعض الحكمة لأن معاشرة المسلمين أثرت على عقول الكثيرين...
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عندك حق يا أبو السااااااااااااام... الأخ أبو نقطة طلع تقية إبن حرامية وليس يوسابى النزعة.... إنت كسبت المرة دى http://www.copts.net/forum/showthrea...6819#post46819
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إقتباس:
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كشف غموض مذبحة نيوجيرسي
الأهرام العالم 43189 السنة 129-العدد 2005 مارس 6 الأحد كشف غموض مذبحة نيوجيرسي توجيه الاتهام لشابين أمريكيين بقتل الأسرة المصرية المهاجرة جيرسي سيتي ـ من علاء رياض أعلن إدوارد دي فازيو المدعي العام لمقاطعة هدسون بولاية نيوجيرسي الأمريكية أمس توجيه الاتهام لشابين أمريكيين بقتل الأسرة المصرية بمدينة جيرسي سيتي بغرض السرقة واحالتهما للقضاء مؤكدا في بيان له أن الغرض من القتل لم يكن بسبب الدين, وأن الدافع الوحيد للجريمة البشعة كان الجشع والحاجة للمال. واحيل المتهمان إلي قاضي التحقيقات الذي امر بحبسهما علي ذمة التحقيق وكفالة10 ملايين دولار لكل منهما. وبذلك وضع المدعي العام الأمريكي نهاية لما اثارته قضية قتل الأسرة المصرية المسيحية في نيوجيرسي من توتر بين الجالية المصرية بالولايات المتحدة طوال الشهرين الماضيين, بسبب تزايد الأصوات التي حاولت لصق الجريمة البشعة بأسباب دينية وربطها بأحداث داخل مصر. وقال المدعي العام ان احد الجناة كان يقطن بالدور الأعلي بنفس المنزل الذي تقيم فيه اسرة حسام ارمانيوس, وأن المتهمين قاما بسرقة كروت الائتمان البنكية الفيزا الخاصة بارمانيوس, وحصلا منه علي الأرقام السرية الخاصة بالفيزا تحت تهديد السلاح. وقد كشف المدعي العام عن تفاصيل مثيرة خاصة بالجريمة الشنعاء, وقال إن المتهم الأول هو شاب أمريكي يدعي إدوارد ماكدونالد25 عاما وهو مستأجر للدور الأعلي لسكن المجني عليهم, وشاركه في الجريمة شاب أمريكي آخر يدعي هاملتون سانشيز30 عاما. وقد اقتحم الاثنان مسكن حسام ارمانيوس47 عاما, في11 يناير2005, وطلبا منه تسليمهما كروت الائتمان البنكية الخاصة به, وبدأ في تعذيبه للحصول علي الأرقام السرية. واثناء تهديد الأب لمعرفة الأرقام السرية, تعرفت الابنة الصغري مونيكا8 سنوات علي احد اللصوص وهو جارهم ماكدونالد بالرغم من تغطية وجهه, وخوفا من افتضاح امره ذبح الطفلة الصغيرة بعد تكبيلها وشل حركتها داخل غرفتها, ثم بدأ سانشيز شريكه في الجريمة بعمليات القتل البشعة لباقي افراد الأسرة المصرية, التي هاجرت لأمريكا منذ نهاية التسعينيات, وهم الأب وزوجته أمل جرس32 عاما والأبنة الكبري سيلفيا15 عاما ثم هربا. وقال المدعي العام إنه تم الكشف عن المشتبه فيهما بعد أن سجلت أحدي كاميرات المراقبة المثبتة بماكينة الصرف الآلي بأحد البنوك شريطا كاملا لأحد الأشخاص في اثناء قيامه باستخدام بطاقة الفيزا الخاصة برب الأسرة المصرية. وأكد أن الدافع للجريمة كان السرقة فقط نافيا وجود اية دلائل علي كونه عملا إرهابيا أو نتيجة للتعصب الديني. وكان المدعي العام لمقاطعة هدسون قد أخطر السفير شريف الخولي قنصل مصر العام في نيويورك بالقبض علي مرتكبي المذبحة, وأكد أنه تم تكثيف البحث وتضييق دائرة الاشتباه في عقب الكشف عن عمليات سحب لنحو3 آلاف دولار من حسابات رب الأسرة بعد أيام من وقوع الحادث. http://www.ahram.org.eg/Index.asp?CurFN=worl3.htm&DID=8417
آخر تعديل بواسطة Bohira ، 05-03-2005 الساعة 08:33 PM السبب: كشف غموض مذبحة نيوجيرسي
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Robbery Cited As Motive in Family Slaying By WAYNE PARRY Associated Press Writer March 5, 2005, 9:29 AM EST JERSEY CITY, N.J. -- The slaying of an Egyptian family that has caused tension between local Christians and Muslims was motivated by robbery, not religious fanaticism, authorities said. Two men on parole for drug offenses -- one of them the Armanious family's upstairs tenant -- were charged with four counts of murder in the killings. Many in New Jersey's Coptic Christian community had speculated that Hossam Armanious angered Muslims with opinions he posted in Internet chat rooms under the user name "I Love Jesus." "I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: The motive for these murders was robbery. This was a crime based on greed, the desperate need of money," Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said. Authorities said Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14, bound and gagged with puncture wounds to their heads and necks. In the days after the slayings, about $3,000 was withdrawn from Armanious' bank account using his ATM card, and investigators were able to get surveillance video from cameras over those cash machines, officials said. Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above the family, and Hamilton Sanchez, 30, were arrested Thursday. They pleaded not guilty to murder charges and were ordered held on $10 million bail. "I didn't kill nobody, man," Sanchez said as he was led from the courtroom. DeFazio said officials believe a planned robbery spiraled out of control when the 8-year-old loosened her bonds and recognized McDonald. He is accused of killing her to avoid identification, and Sanchez is accused of killing the three others, DeFazio said. The murders spread fear throughout the region's Coptic Christian community and spurred tensions that erupted in scuffles and anti-Islam slogans being shouted during the family's funeral. The arrests were welcomed by Christian and Muslim groups who said they were disturbed by the religious tension. "Everybody is relieved that there is no religious implication behind it," said Maged Riad, a spokesman for the worldwide head of the Coptic Church, Pope Shenouda. http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-family-slain,0,7361248.story
آخر تعديل بواسطة Bohira ، 05-03-2005 الساعة 08:50 PM
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آخر تعديل بواسطة 3nter ، 05-03-2005 الساعة 08:41 PM
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وصلتنى هذه الرسالة الخاصة من المعلم عنتر ولكننى فضلت الرد عليها هنا... حيث أننى أفهم أنه حذرنا من قبل من التسرع فى إتهام المسلمين بالجريمة كما ذكر فى رده السابق ... فبعد تفجير نيويورك 1993 والهجمات الإرهابية الإسلامية فى جميع أنحاء العالم ... حدث تفجير أوكلاهوما وكانت بصمة الفاعل إسلامية 100% فسارع الجميع لإتهام المسلمين بالجريمة حتى إتضح أن الفعلة ماهم إلا مقلدين وتابعون لهرطقة مسيحية مثل الإسلام... فتم الإعتذار للمسلمين عن التسرع فى الحكم ...فهل توقف الإرهاب الإسلامى بعدها؟؟؟ بالطبع لا .. فقد حدث المزيد من التفجيرات فى تنزانيا ونيروبى وأخيرا أحداث سبتمبر 2001وجرائم القتل والنحر الزرقاوية والبنلادنية وجرائم خطف الفتيات وغيرها ... كلها بإسم الإسلام وشيطانه.. فإذا حدثت جريمة مشابهة لجرائم الإسلام مثل ذبح الأسرة القبطية فى أمريكا فبالطبع سيوجه الإتهام للمسلمين ..حتى وإن لم يفعلها المسلمون فأنا أعتقد أن مجرد مشاهدة المتهمين (وهم من المجرمين المسجلين من قبل ) لأفلام النحر والذبح الإسلامية ربما كان له تأثير على أفعالهم مثلما قام مرتكبوا تفجير أوكلاهوما بتنفيذ جريمتهم.... التقليد الإجرامى... وحتى لايعتقد أحدا أن هذين المتهمين مسيحيين لأنهما يحملان أسماءا مسيحية فرجاءا قراءة هذا الرابط للتوضيح ... http://www.copts.net/forum/showthrea...C7%E1%DB%D1%C8 وكذلك يجب ملاحظة أن التهمة لاتثبت إلا بعد إنتهاء المحاكمة...كل ماحدث حتى الآن هى تحقيقات وإتهامات من كل جانب... فرجاء الإنتظار حتى نهاية المحاكمة... ولكن فى كل الحالات لايمكن تبرئة عقيدة الشيطان وأتباعها من الجرائم التى أرتكبت وسترتكب طالما ظلت هذه التعاليم فى التداول بين البشر
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معجزة محمد الواحدة والوحيدة هى أنه أقنع من البشرالمغفلين مايزيد على مليار ونصف يصلون عليه آناء الليل واطراف النهار ومن المؤكد أنه لن يعترض على كلامي هذا إلا غلماانه نازفى المؤخرات وحورياته كبيرات المقعدات " كن رجلا ولا تتبع خطواتي " حمؤة بن أمونة آخر تعديل بواسطة knowjesus_knowlove ، 06-03-2005 الساعة 02:50 PM
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الموضوع فيه عدة نقاط غير منطقية تحتاج الرد عليها قبل تصديق رواية البوليس:
أولا: لم يعترف أى من المتهمان بالجريمة بينما البوليس يدعى أن الأبنة الصغرى نزعت العصابة التى وضعت على عينها فرأت الجار و تعرفت عليه فلذلك فقتلها أولا .. كيف عرف البولبس هذا بينما لم يعترف أى من المتشتبهان بالجريمة من أصلها؟ ثانيا: هذا الأفتراض فى أولا يعنى أن الجناة وضعوا عصائب على أعين الضحايا بدون أن يروهم ويتعرفوا عليهم .. كيف لشخص ما أن يضع عصابة على عينى شخص آخر دون أن يراه؟ ثالثا: كيف عرف الجناة أن هذه الأسرة عندها أموال فى البنوك بينما منزلهم لا يوحى بالثراء على الأطلاق بمستوى المعيشة الأمريكى؟ رابعا: كم من الوقت أستغرق الجناه ذبح 4 أشخاص؟ خامسا: هل بمقدور شخصين أن يقتلا 4 أشخاص بهذه السهولة؟ أم هل هناك معاونين لهم فى هذه الجريمة؟ سادسا: أن كان الدافع هو السرقة كما يدعون فلماذا قطعوا وشم الصليب من على معصم الأبنة الكبرى؟ ما علاقة كره الجانى بالصليب؟ سابعا: أن كان الدافع هو السرقة كما يدعون فلماذا لجأ الجانى إلى طريقة القتل البشعة ولم يكتفى بوسيلة قتل سريع حيث أن القتل ليس هدفا بل تغطية لهدفه الذى هو زعما السرقة ؟ ثامنا: هل هناك أدلة جانيئة مادية لأثبات الجريمة على المتهمين مثل: بصمات الأصابع فى منزل الضحايا أو سلاح الجريمة المفترض آلة حادة عليها بصمات المتهمان أو آثار دماء الضحايا عى ملابس المتهمان أو تحت أظافرهم أو فى منزلهم أو فى سياراتهم أو فى أى شئ من ممتلكاتهم أو على بطاقات الأئتمان؟ تاسعا: أين تقرير الطبيب الشرعى؟ لما كل هذا الأنتظار والفحص والتشريح المعملى لجثث الضحايا أكتمل و التقرير جاهز؟ إلى أن يتم الرد على كل هذه الأسئلة فلن أصدق رواية بوليس نيوجيرسى خصوصا بدأت بعض الحقائق بدأ تظهر عن نيوجيرسى من أن هناك لوبى وضغت شديد من الجالية المسلمة هناك وهى جالية كبيرة ولها نفوذ على حكومة المدينة والولاية .... لا نريد إلا الحق
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What Is Next
The Coptic Community Went Through Shock Waves After The Gruesome
Discovery Of A Peaceful And Law Abiding Coptic Family Been Killed By The Hand Of Two Heartless Ex-convicts And Cold Blooded Killers As Alleged By The Case Prosecutor. Right After The Discovery Of Their Bodies And Seeing The Bright Smiley Faces Of The Slain Children, We As A Community Were Outraged By What We Saw. We Went Looking For Answers, Racing The Time And Offering Clues From All Directions. Some Of These Voiced Clues Came Out Of What Is Inside Us Individually. Of Our Stored Angers, Fears Resulted From The Unjust And Cruel World That Copts Has Endured Through The Ages In Their Motherland. Some Of These Clues I Believed Has Delayed Catching The Right Killers. We Have All Ignored The Very Obvious, That Was Under Our Nose All A Long That An Ex-convict With A Long List Of Crimes And Prison Term(s)was Living In That House Even After The Discovery Of The Slain Family Members. What Is Next? That These Two So Called Human Were Arrested For This Horrible Crime. Let Us At All Time Not Forget The Faces Of The Two Young Ladies, Sylvia And Monica That Has Been Engraved In Our Mind With Their Bright Smiles To A World That Failed To Smile Back At Them. Let Us Not Forget A Hard Working Father That Came Home Late Looking For An Exciting Tomorrow With A Birthday Party For His Daughter Only To Be Faced With A Cold Blooded Killers In His Own Home And In A Viscous Control Of His Family. Let Us Not Forget Hard Working Mother That These Criminals Overcame Her Motherly Instinct Of Offering Protection Even Life For Her Own Dearest Daughters. Let Us Not Forget That This Family Had Hopes And Inspirations For A Bright Future That Had An Abrupt End. Let Us Keep Their Memory Alive In Our Heart And Mind. Let Us As A Community Work All Together To Establish Some Sort Of A Memorial Fund(s) In Each Family Member Name That Keep The Slain Family Legacy Alive. Their Lives Should Not Be Forgotten And Their Memory Should Always Shine. Also Let Us Not Forget That There Are The Garas And Armanious Families That Survived This Great Loss And Have To Live The Rest Of Their Life Day By Day Only With The Memory Of Their Lost Loved Ones. Let Us Offers Them Our Prayers And Support. Let Us Show Them And Make Them Feel That We The Coptic Community Is An Extention Of And Part Of Thier Family. Let Us Not Walk Away And Dissipate Leaving Them Alone. Let Us As Community Offer Our Thanks And Great Appreciation To The Law Enforcement Agencies That Solved This Nighttmare. Let Us Personally Thank Mr. Defazio For His Professionalism And Patience. Without Naming Names Let Us All Thank All The Sane Logic Voices Of Reason Out There That Did Not Rush To Judgment Through This Nightmare That Overwhelmed Our Community And Waited For An Official Outcome. Also Without Naming Names Let Us Thank All The Coptic Organizations And Individuals Through Out The Whole World That Offered Prayers, Vigils, Platform And Press Coverage To Keep This Crime As Front Page News. Again Let Us Not Walk Away, We Still As A Community Members Has Alot To Do, Let Us Continue Our Effective Presence As Community To Make Sure That These Criminals That Committed This Horrible Crime That Ended Bright And Decent Human Lives Should Also End Theirs. Let Us Be There, And Show Our Effective Presence In Every Occasion, Court Hearing Through The Trial And Sentencing Hearings To Make Sure That These Criminals Get Their Well Earned And Deserved Society Judgment, The Death Penalty. Let Us All Pray For Our Sanity In This Crazy And Dangerous World, Let Us Ask God To House Monica, Sylvia, Amal, And Hossam In His Everlasting Paradise With All Their Beloved Saints, Where There Is No More Fear, Pain, Or Agony But Everlasting Peace.
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08-03-2005
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عيب عليكم
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النمط الخطي
