الحمامة الحسنة هنا الرد!!!

[No Where To Run]

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الأخ او
الأخت No Where To Run

ما هو دليلك على ان رسولك خاتم المرسلين؟
ألم يأتى بعد رسولك رسول إسمه " بهاء الله " وأيضا قال أنه خاتم المرسلين
؟!
وما هو دليلك على أن الإسلام أحسن دين ؟ sorry
هل اخبرك محمد بهذا ؟
ماذا تعرف عن رسولك ؟
هل يوجد رسول يشتهى رضيع ويوعد بالزواج منها عندما تتفطم وتكبر ؟

- ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏يعقوب ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏أبي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن إسحاق ‏ ‏قال وحدثني
‏ ‏حسين بن عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عكرمة ‏ ‏مولى ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عباس
‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أم الفضل بنت الحارث ‏
‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏رأى ‏ ‏أم حبيبة بنت عباس ‏
‏وهي فوق الفطيم قالت
فقال ‏ ‏لئن بلغت بنية ‏ ‏العباس ‏ ‏هذه وأنا حي
لأتزوجنها ‏
مسند أحمد

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...um=25636&doc=6

ما هذا النبى الشهوانى .. الذى ينظر
لرضيعة ويشتهيها ؟!
وتقول أن الإسلام أحسن دين لااحد ينكر هذا ..!
لأ .. جميعنا ننكر أن يكون الإسلام اساسا دين سماوى أو محمد رسول
حقيقى !
روح ادرس إسلامك جيدا قبل أن تأتينا بشعارات رنانة جوفاء

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7amama i want to explain something for you...
you said all of u deny Islam as Heavenly religion but in fact you
and whom like you just group of savages cant treat with
realities things on the right way because you only believes your
selves and u are Pathetic Person and I'm sure you cant understand the
real meaning of Religion of Allah
Unfortunate this world should has only One create r ,
Governor and Commander He is AllaH (Glory be to Him ) and he who
have ability to creating Humankind and whole Worlds
Does not need A son
Muhmmed peace be upon Him was exist in community
full of violence ,hatred.,spleen ,and ignorance
and this community was live for only war
and He was kindness,honest,merciful ,peaceful .
He was trying to make those peoples love each other and live in
peaceful coordination and worshiping Only one God (Allah)
and he present to human kind great by doing that

Now lets talk about your opinions and proves
about Those nonsense sentence

you answered your Question by Your Self (هل يوجد رسول يشتهى رضيع ويوعد
بالزواج منها عندما تتفطم وتكبر ؟) so no normal person want a child
what about prophet ?
how he can do something like this ,,
Does your Brother if he saw child in somewhere ,will he wanna make
love with her ? its nonsense please ask your self before you sticks
what you copied from ignorant persons and its not only your
problem all of you sticks lies nonsense speech, which make my prove
incense , if we supposed that he was found of her form we will have
another question its how he could like her form however he know
that her form will completely change after few years?
IS it credible for any one? i don't think so.
your problem is that you are depending on unrelastic stories you
created it by or imaginations or you get by Israelis Allegations and you
don't even check the Credibility of this stories and you just stick
it in forums because its against ISLAM and Muslims for hiding the
reality.
and we Muslims are surprising when you telling us
that stories

Islam Is The Best Religion

[ديديموس]

poor you , brain washed by the abominations of islam, and trying to convince us that we are the pathetic ones

you need to wake up and look around, who is the pathetic here, the islamic nations gave the world new inventions in terrorism and beheading in cold blood

you are just following a man (figure of speech because he was a swine) who was murdered , thief, adulterer, and even a bastard, yep he has no father

you are worshiping a stone, kneeling to a stone, a heathen like you have no right to speak to us

you believe in a constant act of sexual immoral as an eternal life in your claimed jannah rivers of wine, milk and honey

actually I see you as a pathetic stupid ignorant muslim

so keep following the liar and false prophet... to hell where he is now

[No Where To Run]

Mindless,pathetic,Blind kid
Why you Full of Hate ? show me the real side of Christianity because all of you here full of hate and your hea rts like stones

i already looked around here in this forum and see almost here like you Mindless ,Hypocrites boy i saw peoples like you never respect humans.

Rude little boy i,m following the Seal Prophet Peace be Upon Him the believed Prophet and Honest
.
All Muslims nations are proud of Islam because its aim at the salvation of the Jinn and mankind from chains of ignorance and hatred , plus no One of Muslims Attacks,or curse any prophet of Allah??

u cursed apostle of Allah thats why your heart weakness,cowards ,monsters and always like to curse and hurts prophets.

1 inch warrior boy ,if u have any respect for jesus you have to respect all prophets.
Does its the principles of Christianity and love of jesus to curse and hurt prophets and peoples? .
its what going supposed to be little child to curse and hates Muslims that what u got from jesus principles and love?
Does all your brothers and sisters in Christianity call prophets bastards?.....Wow now i got over sure Christianity have no respect for the prophets show me the real side of it .

You full of hate against Muslims and Islam and Now you take off your false masks and shows your real feeling about Islam.

We worshiping One God ,Not worshiping piece of wood and you call it the symbol of your God ,Crucified God ,lol

and at least we never curse any prophet we belive in Christ and the bible and all the holly books

Study hard and bring to me new topics to show us the fanaticism and Violence that you kept in your hea rts

Islam Is the Best Religion

[ديديموس]

this isn't hate, it's the truth
and I won't show you anything if you don't have the courage to read in your own books

do you think we invent the hadith and tafseer which we get here in the forum?? of course not, we get from recognized islamic websites and the islamic books

I respect humans, but I WILL NEVER GIVE RESPECT TO A SATANIC DOGMA (islam)

you are ignorant to follow a swine , a false prophet, a pedophile

I left islam after knowing the truth about it, and you are still in the darkness to your ears

your allah is just a satan , I curse him everyday and his followers, if your muhammed was a prophet, why did he own slaves and sleeps with them too????
why did he marry 6 years old girl?
why did he kill women and men only because they didn't like him and said poetry about him?
is the sword the solution of the real prophet?
this is IGNORANCE

RESPECT IS EARNED , PROVE TO ME THAT HE WAS A PROPHET

lol, we never worship woods, but you worship stones, look at the cube building in mecca , look all the people worshiping to this cube in circle, why? because it has the black stone , which you all worship

take your lies and shove it up in your ***
I was a muslim kido, I know a zillion times more than you in islam

islam is a satanic cult

[No Where To Run]

Swaggy Boy peoples like you never understand the real meaning of Islam and Allah ,you blind,Mindless ,and uyou ahve curded heart

Islam is unlike any other religion because it is not merely a belief to which one adheres, but rather Islam is a complete way of life. Muslims put their beliefs into practice on a daily basis. Islam provides guidance in all the spheres and activities of life. Furthermore, it is unique in that it is not named after any person, tribe, region or culture. Islam is named after a belief in one God, Allah, and submission to His will. In other words, Muslims put Allah’s Will before their own.

The message of Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not new; his message of absolute monotheism is a reaffirmation of what came before it. We as humans constantly stray from guidance if we are left on our own without a divine reminder, thus Allah the Merciful has sent us prophets to remind us. Islam preaches the same message of all previous prophets. That message is: Allah is One, worship Him alone.

Additionally, human society changes and develops with time, and so Allah has adjusted His Laws slightly over the centuries to correspond accordingly. Thus while Allah's message of divine oneness has been the same since the beginning of time, His Sacred Law has been abrogated and amended with the advent of each new prophet. The Sacred Law of Muhammad (peace be upon him) represents the final version of Allah's commandments applicable to all of humankind until the Last Day.

Islam invites us to what benefits us and all of humanity. It commands goodness towards all people and does not promote preferential treatment for a certain group, be they believers or not. No one is immune from Allah’s commands and laws in Islam.

Islam offers us eternity in Paradise if we obey Allah’s commands. Whether we believe in Him, follow His Guidance, practice good and forbid evil, Allah does not benefit anything from it. We are the ones who benefit from submitting to His Will. Likewise, if we refuse to believe, practice evil and prevent good, Allah is not harmed one bit by our behavior. Rather, it is only we who suffer from our own misdeeds.

Ultimately, the only real guarantee of salvation from Allah’s displeasure and wrath is from Allah Himself. We see this through the example of His Noble Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Allah’s unfaltering promise in the Holy Qur’an, the final unaltered ******ure of Allah. No one will be wronged by Allah an atom's weight in this life or the next. Allah’s promise is reiterated many times in the Holy Qur’an: If we believe and do good deeds, we will be rewarded, while if we deny the message and do evil, we will be punished.

Islam offers guidance to all humankind, regardless of race, culture, education level, sex, and socioeconomic status. Through Islam, we achieve peace with ourselves, with Allah, with our fellow man and even with the environment so that we can live in harmony with the entire universe as Allah intended.

Then why Islam and not Judaism or Christianity? First of all, Islam is the message of the final Prophet to mankind, Muhammad (peace be upon him) and no other prophet has come with true guidance or a new message from Allah since his time. While all previous prophets of Allah (such as Abraham, Moses, and Jesus) were followed by a subsequent prophet and a new Sacred Law that abrogated that which was before it, the prophethood of Muhammad is final and complete – no messenger will come after him. The example of Prophet Muhammad offers solid guidance for all times and places. Islam is the only true universal religion – it is open to people of all cultural backgrounds, man and woman alike. Islam preaches the Oneness of humanity more than any other religious tradition. We are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve (peace be upon them), and the most beloved human before Allah is the most god-fearing. We are all brothers and sisters from a common ancestor, and we will all return to our Creator in the end.


you just keep those words (satan ,swine ,satanic cult) Duhh
you hates Islam because its the Religion of light and right too

you was Muslim and now you left Islam and you curse Islam and Muslims ecery Momment so you hates your Mother,father,sisters? ohh you fULL of hate and spleen

if u convert christianity becuse you loves jesus why you curse Islam and Muslim and jesus said in Bible LOVE YOUR ENEMIES ...........lol tahts mean you dont belive in jesus too

Islam Is The Best Religion No One Can Deny That

[Ibrahim Al Copti]

Dear "No Where To Run"

calm down,
getting angry does not make u feel better
Does it?
u said

u cursed apostle of Allah thats why your weakness,cowards ,monsters and always like to curse and hurts prophets.

we don't curse my friend, we present facts

what do u think about Mohammad' saying (Sunna) in Sahih Muslim

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen....html#008.3425

What do you think of an adult man suckling of a woman breast to be unlawful to her?

Was it moral?
Was it to prevent or stimulate sexual arousal?
Does it make sense to u?
Does give u guidance?

[Ibrahim Al Copti]

What do u think of Mut'a ?

Mut'a
Arabic: mutca
Persian: sīghe
Other spelling: mutaa

Temporary marriage in Islam, still practiced within Shi'i broader Islam, but abolished among the Sunni. The Sunni institution of misyar marriage, practiced in Saudi Arabia and Egypt has many similarities with mut'a. Arab lexicographers have defined mut'a as "marriage of pleasure".
There are indications of temporary marriage in the Koran 4:24, regulating how a man exchanges one wife with another. It is clear from such indications aya that the handed to the first wife cannot be retracted. This understanding forms the basis for later definitions of temporary marriage in Islam.
Some sources indicate that mut'a was practiced in the time of Muhammad. From the sources it has even been claimed that mut'a formed a central part of hajj. Some traditions indicate that Muhammad himself practiced mut'a on some occasions.
According to some traditions, Caliph Umar forbade mut'a, and defined it as fornication. But it would take about a century before most orientations of Islam aligned themselves with Umar's prohibition. But in the emerging group of Shi'is, mut'a was not forbidden.
Sunni scholars came to redefine mut'a so that it would automatically be treated as a normal marriage — the regulation about a temporary period of time was deemed as invalid.
http://i-cias.com/e.o/muta.htm

Let's see how Allah's prophet did OKed Mut'a

Sahih Al Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa':

While we were in an army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it." Salama bin Al-Akwa' said: Allah's Apostle's said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: 'Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful)."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#007.062.051

What do you think of a man pay a dowry to F*** a women for three days and later he can leave her ?

Was it moral?
How does it differ from Adultery?
Does it make sense to u?
Does give u guidance?

[ديديموس]

No where to run, all what you say is blah blah blah

straight up what you are saying man

I didn't curse a person here, but I curse islam because it's a satanic dogma , and yes, muhammed is swine

[No Where To Run]

Dear ibrahim
I,m not angry and i,m more relaxed too
My friend Ibrahim .......... Suckling Pornography" lie against Islam
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared

What. IBRAHIM here fell to notice is that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was protecting a mixed up society from fornication. It was very easy to commit fornication among the Pagans and their traditions. Our beloved Prophet was applying laws that would prevent sins from occurring. He wanted to keep the Islamic society purified from the sexual sins.

He was NOT promoting pornography as the Porn-full Bible does; the book of "women's vaginas and breasts taste like wine". The book of "She wished if her lover was her biological brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret." etc... These quotes are actually true facts that exist in the porn-full bible. See the proof for yourself!
Also, don't forget to read Fathers can literally rape their daughters by inserting their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before their daughters' marriage in the Bible's Old Testament.
And while we're at it, don't forget to read The Jewish Holiest Book, the Talmud, allowed for men to have intercourse with their 3-year old captured slave-girls. See the quotes and the proofs for yourself!
When the young boy suckled from Sahla bint Suhail, she became his foster mother. Her daughters (if she had any) would become prohibited for him for marriage, because they became his foster sisters:
As I mentioned above, the only possible Arabic words for "grown-up man" who at the same time just reached his "puberty" are "Fatan Balegh" where the "n" at the end is a pronunciation of an Arabic punctuation for the word "Fata", or "Ghulam Balegh". "man" here is a mistranslation, because "fatan" and "Ghulam" both literally mean either a "fellow" or a "kid" depending on how the person is referenced. The word "Balegh" literally means: (1) Grown-up; (2) Passed child-hood as a child starts showing signs of man-hood from his actions.
The word "man" was used for young kids back then and is still used today. Notice however in the narrations above, the word "man" was not always used for Salim, the young boy and the freed slave who had no family. "Fellow" or "kid" are the more accurate translation for our understanding of child-hood and man-hood today.
He WAS NOT a grown up man whom the Prophet wanted for him to have sexual relationship with Sahla as it was mistranslated in only ONE English-translated narration and contradicted in the several other English-translated narrations as Jim so bogusly claims above!
Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10:
The sections of this article are:
1- Pedophilia and killing of "suckling infants" in the Bible!
2- Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex and marriage in both the Talmud and the Bible.
3- Age consent in our world today only 100 years ago to girls as young as 10.
4- Rebuttals. See my rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's response
1- Pedophilia and killing "suckling infants" in the Bible!
Ironically, one of the Bible's 10 pillars or ten Commandments says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13)." Yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands! 3-year old slave girls were also ordered to be raped by Moses.

This section is divided into 2 sub-sections:
1- Kill everything that breathes!
2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands!
3- The pedophilic verses against 3-year old girls.
1- Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals!
Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
It is certainly the Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side. If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?

2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:
1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:
Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!
I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!
I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).

Islam is the Best Religion

[Ibrahim Al Copti]

My dear
was that blah blah blah or what?

What. IBRAHIM here fell to notice is that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was protecting a mixed up society from fornication. It was very easy to commit fornication among the Pagans and their traditions.

So, your prophet was permitting an adult man to suckle adult woman's breast to prevent fornication ?
Oh my my my... what an excuse !!!

The guy was her adopted son for God's sake. So by visiting his foster mother he would fornicate with her?

the Solution is : suckle her breast
to prevent fornication, play with her ti***!!!

Your prophet created the problem from the start by forbidding adoption (the lawful situation) to sleep with his daughter in law "Zainab"

Read your Quran my dear Sura 33: verse 36

And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor: Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed.

looks like Allah was a pimp giving permission to his messenger to cancel adoption so that Mohammad can f*** his adopted son's wife

from this lust the problem started, that led to Salim the adopted son of Abu Hadhaifa, not to be premitted to see his foster mother
what kind of ethics are these ?

You said:

"When the young boy suckled from Sahla bint Suhail, she became his foster mother."

I see another moral trait learned from Islam, which is lying for the sake of Allah (Al-Tequia التقية)

was Salim a young boy?
one of the Arabic hadiths (Sahih Muslim)says

مسلم 3673 - حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرٌو النَّاقِدُ وَابْنُ أَبِى عُمَرَ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الْقَاسِمِ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ قَالَتْ جَاءَتْ سَهْلَةُ بِنْتُ سُهَيْلٍ إِلَى النَّبِىِّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- فَقَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنِّى أَرَى فِى وَجْهِ أَبِى حُذَيْفَةَ مِنْ دُخُولِ سَالِمٍ - وَهُوَ حَلِيفُهُ. فَقَالَ النَّبِىُّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- « أَرْضِعِيهِ ». قَالَتْ وَكَيْفَ أُرْضِعُهُ وَهُوَ رَجُلٌ كَبِيرٌ فَتَبَسَّمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- وَقَالَ « قَدْ عَلِمْتُ أَنَّهُ رَجُلٌ كَبِيرٌ ». زَادَ عَمْرٌو فِى حَدِيثِهِ وَكَانَ قَدْ شَهِدَ بَدْرًا. وَفِى رِوَايَةِ ابْنِ أَبِى عُمَرَ فَضَحِكَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ -صلى الله عليه وسلم-..

أَرْضِعِيهِ = suckle him
وَهُوَ رَجُلٌ كَبِيرٌ = And he is a grown man
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let's continue with your blah blah blah
you said

The book of "women's vaginas and breasts taste like wine".

where it says that women's breasts and vaginas taste like wine?
are you quoting from or commenting on our bible ?
what a shame

Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible.

My dear, I hold you accountable for every word you say
Being Christian, I do not care much about the Talmud , though I am still waiting for a textual proof from both the Talmud and our Bible that girls at the age of three were forced to marry

A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:
Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

was it God's order or a prophecy about Babylon ?
Don't u recognize any difference between the two?
Should I teach u how to read and understand, what the text says

I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy",

I found it also ridiculous to claim mercy you do not have in the quran or the hadith. but let us go over it :

"Love your enemy" is the the concept that Christianity teaches, which is not valid for Muslims as the quran says Sura 9: verse 29

Fight against such of those who have been given the ******ure (Christians and Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

killing in the Old testament though was exceptional for certain nations and people that were given chances for hundreds of years to repent
Amalek was such a special nation
they kept killing and fighting the Israelis for hundreds of years from time of Exodus till Saul's time

Deu 25:16 For all who do such things, all who do unrighteously, are an abomination to the Lord your God.
Deu 25:17 Remember what Amalek did to you on the way when you had come forth from Egypt,
Deu 25:18 How he did not fear God, but when you were faint and weary he attacked you along the way and cut off all the stragglers at your rear.

they also, as part of people living in Canaan, offered their Children as sacrifices to the fire
the our Holy God wanted the Israelis not to practice such things

Lev 18:21 You shall not give any of your children to pass through the fire and sacrifice them to Molech [the fire god], nor shall you profane the name of your God [by giving it to false gods]. I am the Lord

Lev 18:24 Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for in all these things the nations are defiled which I am casting out before you.

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These were specific cases
on the contrary Allah's prophet allowed killing children of infidels

البخاري -3012 - حَدَّثَنَا عَلِىُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ حَدَّثَنَا الزُّهْرِىُّ عَنْ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ عَنِ الصَّعْبِ بْنِ جَثَّامَةَ - رضى الله عنهم - قَالَ مَرَّ بِىَ النَّبِىُّ - صلى الله عليه وسلم - بِالأَبْوَاءِ - أَوْ بِوَدَّانَ - وَسُئِلَ عَنْ أَهْلِ الدَّارِ يُبَيَّتُونَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ، فَيُصَابُ مِنْ نِسَائِهِمْ وَذَرَارِيِّهِمْ قَالَ « هُمْ مِنْهُمْ » . وَسَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ « لاَ حِمَى إِلاَّ لِلَّهِ وَلِرَسُولِهِ - صلى الله عليه وسلم - » . تحفة 4939 ، 4941

Muhammad was asked about children getting killed while raiding infidels' villages. He answered that the children are like their fathers
هُمْ مِنْهُمْ = children are like their fathers

So, it was justified, to spread Islam by the sword, to kill infidels and their children too

No exceptions, no exemptions
no specific cases
no mercy

One last thing, I did not see your answer concerning the Mut'a as a the Islamic version of legal prostitution !!!

God bless you to see the truth
the truth shall set u free

[الحمامة الحسنة]

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الأخ او
الأخت No Where To Run

ما هو دليلك على ان رسولك خاتم المرسلين؟
ألم يأتى بعد رسولك رسول إسمه " بهاء الله " وأيضا قال أنه خاتم المرسلين
؟!
وما هو دليلك على أن الإسلام أحسن دين ؟ sorry
هل اخبرك محمد بهذا ؟
ماذا تعرف عن رسولك ؟
هل يوجد رسول يشتهى رضيع ويوعد بالزواج منها عندما تتفطم وتكبر ؟
- ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏يعقوب ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏أبي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن إسحاق ‏ ‏قال وحدثني
‏ ‏حسين بن عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عكرمة ‏ ‏مولى ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عباس
‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عباس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أم الفضل بنت الحارث ‏
‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏رأى ‏ ‏أم حبيبة بنت عباس ‏
‏وهي فوق الفطيم قالت
فقال ‏ ‏لئن بلغت بنية ‏ ‏العباس ‏ ‏هذه وأنا حي
لأتزوجنها ‏
مسند أحمد

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...um=25636&doc=6

ما هذا النبى الشهوانى .. الذى ينظر
لرضيعة ويشتهيها ؟!
وتقول أن الإسلام أحسن دين لااحد ينكر هذا ..!
لأ .. جميعنا ننكر أن يكون الإسلام اساسا دين سماوى أو محمد رسول
حقيقى !
روح ادرس إسلامك جيدا قبل أن تأتينا بشعارات رنانة جوفاء

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7amama i want to explain something for you...
you said all of u deny Islam as Heavenly religion but in fact you
and whom like you just group of savages cant treat with
realities things on the right way because you only believes your
selves and u are Pathetic Person and I'm sure you cant understand the
real meaning of Religion of Allah

أسمحلى أجيبك باللغة العربية لغة قرآنك والتى أجيد بها الحوار أكثر من لغة الفرنجة الكفار الإنجليزية :

بغض النظر عن وصفك لنا كمسيحيين بالهمج .. ولكن نحن فعلا لانعترف بأن الإسلام ليس إلا دين بشرى من صنع البشر .. مستشهدين فى هذا بكتابنا المقدس فى سفر الرؤيا عن النبى الكذاب تابع الشيطان واللذان سيلقوا فى بحيرة الكبريت والنار .
كذلك تأكيد السيد المسيح لنا بإستمرار وتحذيره لنا من النبياء الكذبة الذين سيأتوا فى ثياب الحملان ولكنهم من داخل ذئاب خاطفة .. وليس نحن هنا فقط من نعتقد هذا الإعتقاد عن النبى الكذاب بل المسيحيين جميعا يعرفون هذه الحقيقة لأن كتابنا المقدس واحد ونؤمن به جميعا وبما قاله فيه الرب يسوع عن النبياء الكذبة .

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Unfortunate this world should has only One create r ,
Governor and Commander He is AllaH (Glory be to Him ) and he who
have ability to creating Humankind and whole Worlds
Does not need A son

والشيطان اخى أيضا يؤمن بأن الله واحد وأنه الخالق الواحد والحاكم والمير الواحد لهذا الكون .. فهل إيمانهم هذا سيعفيهم من خطاياهم ومن لعنة الله لهم ؟
وكذلك يعلم نفس الشيطان أن السيد المسيح له المجد هو الأبن الوحيد الذى أرسله الله الآب بكلمة قدرته وبروحه القدوس لكى يتمم الفداء .. فأنت بإنكارك الأبن الكلمة المتجسدة تنكر أن الله قادر على كل شيىء ويستطيع عمل كل شيىء..فأنت تنكر قدرته الغير محدودة وتحدها بعدم إستطاعته التجسد .
فكيف ترددوا وتقولوا أن إلهكم قادر على كل شيىء ؟

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Muhmmed peace be upon Him was exist in community
full of violence ,hatred.,spleen ,and ignorance
and this community was live for only war

محمد هو سبب كل عنف وكراهية وحقد لأنه سيطر بأفكاره على الجزيرة العربية وقت جهلها .. ففرض نظام الترهيب والترغيب أى ( العصا والجزرة ) .. فرض السيف على كل من لايريده ويريد دعوته المزعومة .. واخذ يرغًب السذج والجهلاء بالغنائم فى الحروب من أموال وصبية ونساء أسيرات أباح شرفهم تحت تهديد سيفه بعد قتله ازواجهم .. وتقسيم النساء عليه وعلى صحابته ..وأباح كل ما حرمه الله .. فهل شريعة السماء قالت له ان يعتدى على السبايا هو وعصابته كالذئاب المفترسة ..؟ هل هذه تسمى شريعة سماوية ؟
اقرأ هذا الحديث لعمك البخارى .. واظن عمك البخارى أصح صحيح تعترفوا به وليس إسرائيلى وليس من المدسوسين ..أليس كذلك ؟
وإليك الرابط الخاص بالحديث أيضا من أكبر موقع سعودى إسلامى للأحاديث :-
حدثنا ‏ ‏إسحاق بن نصر ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الرزاق ‏ ‏أخبرنا ‏ ‏ابن جريج ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏موسى بن عقبة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏نافع ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن عمر ‏ ‏رضي الله عنهما ‏ ‏قال ‏حاربت ‏ ‏النضير ‏ ‏وقريظة ‏ ‏فأجلى ‏ ‏بني النضير ‏ ‏وأقر ‏ ‏قريظة ‏ ‏ومن عليهم حتى حاربت ‏ ‏قريظة ‏ ‏فقتل رجالهم وقسم نساءهم وأولادهم وأموالهم بين المسلمين إلا بعضهم لحقوا بالنبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فآمنهم وأسلموا وأجلى ‏ ‏يهود ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏كلهم ‏ ‏بني قينقاع ‏ ‏وهم رهط ‏ ‏عبد الله بن سلام ‏ ‏ويهود بني حارثة ‏ ‏وكل ‏ ‏يهود ‏ ‏المدينة.
صحيح البخاري .. كتاب المغازي .. باب حديث بني النضير

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...Doc=0&Rec=5970

اقرأ أخى آيات الرحمة الإسلامية التى أعطاها محمد شرعية من إلهه الذى يسارع فى هواه :-
فَإِذَا انْسَلَخَ الْأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدْتُمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُوا لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِنْ تَابُوا وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتَوُا الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّوا سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ (التوبة 5 )

وَإِنْ نَكَثُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ عَهْدِهِمْ وَطَعَنُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ فَقَاتِلُوا أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ إِنَّهُمْ لَا أَيْمَانَ لَهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَنْتَهُونَ (التوبة 12 )
أَلَا تُقَاتِلُونَ قَوْمًا نَكَثُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ وَهَمُّوا بِإِخْرَاجِ الرَّسُولِ وَهُمْ بَدَءُوكُمْ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ أَتَخْشَوْنَهُمْ فَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشَوْهُ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ
التوبة 13 ) )

قَاتِلُوهُمْ يُعَذِّبْهُمُ اللَّهُ بِأَيْدِيكُمْ وَيُخْزِهِمْ وَيَنْصُرْكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَيَشْفِ صُدُورَ قَوْمٍ مُؤْمِنِينَ (التوبة 14 )
قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ (التوبة 29 )
" وهم صاغرون :أى وهم محقًرون "

إِنَّ عِدَّةَ الشُّهُورِ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ اثْنَا عَشَرَ شَهْرًا فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ يَوْمَ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ مِنْهَا أَرْبَعَةٌ حُرُمٌ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ فَلَا تَظْلِمُوا فِيهِنَّ أَنْفُسَكُمْ وَقَاتِلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ كَافَّةً "
(التوبة 36 )
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ جَاهِدِ الْكُفَّارَ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ وَاغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَمَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ وَبِئْسَ الْمَصِير (التوبة 73 )

وَأَنْزَلَ الَّذِينَ ظَاهَرُوهُمْ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ مِنْ صَيَاصِيهِمْ وَقَذَفَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الرُّعْبَ فَرِيقًا تَقْتُلُونَ وَتَأْسِرُونَ فَرِيقًا وَأَوْرَثَكُمْ أَرْضَهُمْ وَدِيَارَهُمْ وَأَمْوَالَهُمْ وَأَرْضًا لَمْ تَطَئُوهَا وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرًا (الأحزاب 26 و 27 )

فَإِذَا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ حَتَّى إِذَا أَثْخَنْتُمُوهُمْ فَشُدُّوا الْوَثَاقَ فَإِمَّا مَنًّا بَعْدُ وَإِمَّا فِدَاءً حَتَّى تَضَعَ الْحَرْبُ أَوْزَارَهَا ذَلِكَ وَلَوْ يَشَاءُ اللَّهُ لَانْتَصَرَ مِنْهُمْ وَلَكِنْ لِيَبْلُوَ بَعْضَكُمْ بِبَعْضٍ وَالَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَلَنْ يُضِلَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ (محمد 4 )
فَلَا تَهِنُوا وَتَدْعُوا إِلَى السَّلْمِ وَأَنْتُمُ الْأَعْلَوْنَ وَاللَّهُ مَعَكُمْ وَلَنْ يَتِرَكُمْ أَعْمَالَكُمْ (محمد 35)

أتريد المزيد من آيات الدماء أخى ..؟ بس ياريت لاتقل أن هذه الآيات القرآنية إسرائيليات أيضا !
أى إله هذا الذى يأمره بقتل حتى الحيوان بلاش نقول الإنسان اليهودى أو المسيحى او حتى الكافر ؟
وهل إلهه عاجز عن الدفاع عن دينه لو الإسلام دين الله حقا .. ؟
من اعطى رسولك حق إزهاق الأرواح التى لاتؤمن به او بإلهه القاتل أخى ؟

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and He was kindness,honest,merciful ,peaceful .
He was trying to make those peoples love each other and live in
peaceful coordination and worshiping Only one God (Allah)
and he present to human kind great by doing that

محمد ليس فيه أى صفة من التى ذكرتها عاليه سوى أنه قاتل وسافك للدماء ليقدم ضحاياه قرابين لإلهه الذى يسارع فى هواه.
هل هو طيب ورسول سلام لتشريعه آيات القتال وترهيب الناس الآمنة وإزهاق أرواحهم لأنهم رفضوه ؟
هل هو امين لأنه أحل السرقة والزنى وفى نفس الوقت وعد من يسرق ويزنى بأنه سيدخل جنته الرضوانية الموعودة ؟
اقرأ مبادئه فى الحديث التالى رغم انى عارفة أنك ستقول إسرائيليات وتنكر كلامه ومبادئه فى السرقة والزنا :
‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن بشار ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏ابن أبي عدي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏شعبة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏حبيب بن أبي ثابت ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏زيد بن وهب ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي ذر ‏ ‏رضي الله عنه ‏ ‏قال ‏‏قال النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال لي ‏ ‏جبريل ‏ ‏من مات من أمتك لا يشرك بالله شيئا دخل الجنة أو لم يدخل النار قال وإن زنى وإن سرق قال وإن.
صحيح البخاري .. كتاب بدء الخلق .. باب ذكر الملائكة

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...Doc=0&Rec=5045

قدم للبشرية أعظم هدية ..! ماهذه الهدية يا اخى التى قدمها للبشرية ؟!
هل الكراهية وسفك الدماء واخذ بلاد العباد فى حروبه وغزواته تحت ترهيب السيف أتسمى كل جرائمه هذه هدية !

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Now lets talk about your opinions and proves
about Those nonsense sentence

you answered your Question by Your Self (هل يوجد رسول يشتهى رضيع ويوعد
بالزواج منها عندما تتفطم وتكبر ؟) so no normal person want a child
what about prophet ?
how he can do something like this ,,

فعلا كما تسائلت لو رسولك فعلا من عند الله ما كان فكر هذا الفكر الشهوانى .. ولكن هنقول إيه غير زواغة عين ؟!
الحديث الذى ذكرته لك من الأحاديث الصحيحة ( لمسند احمد ) وهو موجود فى أكبر المواقع الإسلامية السعودية وليس من مواقع إسرائيلية بهذا الرابط .. نحن لانأتى بشىء من عندنا كله بالدليل والبرهان من كتبكم ومواقعكم أخى :-

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...um=25636&doc=6

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Does your Brother if he saw child in somewhere ,will he wanna make
love with her ? its nonsense please ask your self before you sticks
what you copied from ignorant persons and its not only your
problem all of you sticks lies nonsense speech, which make my prove
incense ,

كما ذكرت لك سابقا ما نأتى به من مواقعكم الإسلامية وليس عندنا اشخاص جاهلة .. وإذا كنت تلومنى منا اتيت به من حديث فبالأولى قم بلوم جهلتكم الحقيقيين وهى مواقعكم واحاديثكم وخاصة أحاديث زوجة رسولك عيشة التى فضحت رسولكم وفضحتكم معه.

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if we supposed that he was found of her form we will have
another question its how he could like her form however he know
that her form will completely change after few years?
IS it credible for any one? i don't think so.

هنقول إيه ..! طفاسة أنبياء كذبة وشهواتهم وغرائزهم الحيوانية !!!

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your problem is that you are depending on unrelastic stories you
created it by or imaginations or you get by Israelis Allegations and you
don't even check the Credibility of this stories and you just stick
it in forums because its against ISLAM and Muslims for hiding the
reality.

إسرائيليات مش كده ..!!!
كلما واجهنا المسلم بخبايا وخفايا دينه يهرب فى زئبقية وهو يقول مثلك تماما " إسرائيليات "..!
فعلا عجيب عقلية المسلم الذى يتعامل مع مهازل دينه كأنه لم يراها ولم يسمع عنها وينكرها بدون دليل لمجرد أن عقله يرفضها ولا يبحث هل هذه الحداث والأقاويل حدثت فعلا ام لا ..!

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and we Muslims are surprising when you telling us
that stories
Islam Is The Best Religion

انت تندهش لأنك لم تعرف دينك بوجه الحقيقى ولم تتعمق فيه بل ما تعرفه مجرد القشور التى سقاها لكم شيوخكم واعلامكم الإسلامى الذى تحركه الأيادى الملوثة الفاسدة والعقول المضلة ذات البدع والفتاوى المظلمة الشيطانية .. لذلك من يعرف الإسلام على حقيقته صدقنى بأمانة بيترك هذا الدين البشرى والأمثلة هنا من اخوتنا العابرين من ظلمة وغياهب الشيطان إلى نور المسيح الحقيقى الذى أضاء العالم .
وطالما فى نظرك ان الإسلام احسن دين فهنيئا لك به اخى .
الرب يرعاك وينير عقلك وقلبك

[No Where To Run]

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة Ibrahim Al Copti

My dear
was that blah blah blah or what?



So, your prophet was permitting an adult man to suckle adult woman's breast to prevent fornication ?
Oh my my my... what an excuse !!!

The guy was her adopted son for God's sake. So by visiting his foster mother he would fornicate with her?

the Solution is : suckle her breast
to prevent fornication, play with her ti***!!!

Your prophet created the problem from the start by forbidding adoption (the lawful situation) to sleep with his daughter in law "Zainab"

Read your Quran my dear Sura 33: verse 36



looks like Allah was a pimp giving permission to his messenger to cancel adoption so that Mohammad can f*** his adopted son's wife

from this lust the problem started, that led to Salim the adopted son of Abu Hadhaifa, not to be premitted to see his foster mother
what kind of ethics are these ?

You said:


I see another moral trait learned from Islam, which is lying for the sake of Allah (Al-Tequia التقية)

was Salim a young boy?
one of the Arabic hadiths (Sahih Muslim)says


أَرْضِعِيهِ = suckle him
وَهُوَ رَجُلٌ كَبِيرٌ = And he is a grown man
no more comments


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let's continue with your blah blah blah
you said


where it says that women's breasts and vaginas taste like wine?
are you quoting from or commenting on our bible ?
what a shame


My dear, I hold you accountable for every word you say
Being Christian, I do not care much about the Talmud , though I am still waiting for a textual proof from both the Talmud and our Bible that girls at the age of three were forced to marry



was it God's order or a prophecy about Babylon ?
Don't u recognize any difference between the two?
Should I teach u how to read and understand, what the text says



I found it also ridiculous to claim mercy you do not have in the quran or the hadith. but let us go over it :

"Love your enemy" is the the concept that Christianity teaches, which is not valid for Muslims as the quran says Sura 9: verse 29



killing in the Old testament though was exceptional for certain nations and people that were given chances for hundreds of years to repent
Amalek was such a special nation
they kept killing and fighting the Israelis for hundreds of years from time of Exodus till Saul's time

they also, as part of people living in Canaan, offered their Children as sacrifices to the
the our Holy God wanted the Israelis not to practice such things


These were specific cases
on the contrary Allah's prophet allowed killing children of infidels



Muhammad was asked about children getting killed while raiding infidels' villages. He answered that the children are like their fathers
هُمْ مِنْهُمْ = children are like their fathers

So, it was justified, to spread Islam by the sword, to kill infidels and their children too

No exceptions, no exemptions
no specific cases
no mercy

One last thing, I did not see your answer concerning the Mut'a as a the Islamic version of legal prostitution !!!

God bless you to see the truth
the truth shall set u free

Dear ibrahim i'll show you few Hadith about salim
its says he is (young boy)

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that mention was made of 'azl in the presence of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) whereupon he said: Why do you practise it? They said: There is a man whose wife has to suckle the child, and if that person has a sexual intercourse with her (she may conceive) which he does not like, and there is another person who has a slave-girl and he has a sexual intercourse with her, but he does not like her to have conception so that she may not become Umm Walad, whereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: There is no harm if you do not do that, for that (the birth of the child) is something pre- ordained. Ibn 'Aun said: I made a mention of this hadith to Hasan, and he said: By Allah, (it seems) as if there is upbraiding in it (for 'azl).




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Book 008, Number 3399:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that there came Aflah the brother, of Abu'l-Qu'ais, who sought her permission (to enter) after seclusion was instituted, and AbuQu'ais was the father of 'A'isha by reason of fosterage. 'A'isha said: By Allah, I would not permit Aflah unless I have solicited the opinion of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) for Abu Qulais has not suckled me, but his wife has given me suck. 'A'isha' (Allah be pleased with her) said: When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) entered, I said: Allah's Messenger, Aflah is the brother of Abu'l-Qulais; he came to me to seek my permission for entering (the houst). I did not like the idea of granting him permission until I had solicited your opinion. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Grant him permission. 'Urwa said it was on account of this that 'A'isha used to say. What is unlawful by reason of consanguinity is unlawful by reason of fosterage.




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Book 008, Number 3401:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: My foster uncle came to me and sought permission (to enter the house), but I refused him permission until I had solicited the opinion of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came, I said to him: My foster-uncle sought my permission to (enter the house), but I did not permit him, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: You better admit your uncle (into the house). I ('A'isha) said: It was the woman who suckled me and not the man. (But he) said: He is your uncle, admit him.




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Book 008, Number 3415:
Umm al-Fadl reported: A bedouin came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) when he was in my house and said: Allah's Apostle, I have had a wife and I married another besides her, and my first wife claimed that she had suckled once or twice my newly married wife, thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: One suckling or two do not make the (marriage) unlawful.




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Book 008, Number 3417:
Umm Fadl (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Being suckled once or twice, or one suckling or two, do not make marriage unlawful.




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Book 008, Number 3425:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.




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Book 008, Number 3427:
Umm Salama said to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her): A young boy who is at the threshold of puberty comes to you. I, however, do not like that he should come to me, whereupon 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) said: Don't you see in Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) a model for you? She also said: The wife of Abu Hudhaifa said: Messenger of Allah, Salim comes to me and now he is a (grown-up) person, and there is something that (rankles) in the mind of Abu Hudhaifa about him, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him (so that he may become your foster-child), and thus he may be able to come to you (freely).




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Book 008, Number 3429:
Umm Salama, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), used to say that all wives of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) disclaimed the idea that one with this type of fosterage (having been suckled after the proper period) should come to them. and said to 'A'isha: By Allah, we do not find this but a sort of concession given by Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) only for Salim, and no one was ging to be allowed to enter (our houses) with this type of fosterage and we do not subscribe to this view.



SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 17: The Book Pertaining to Punishments Prescribed by Islam (Kitab Al-Hudud)



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Book 017, Number 4205:
Sulaiman b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Ma, iz b. Malik came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said to him: Messenger of Allah, purify me, whereupon he said: Woe be upon you, go back, ask forgiveness of Allah and turn to Him in repentance. He (the narrator) said that he went back not far, then came and said: Allah's Messenger, purify me. whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Woe be upon you, go back and ask forgiveness of Allah and turn to Him in repentance. He (the narrator) said that he went back not far, when he came and said: Allah's Messenger, purify me. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said as he had said before. When it was the fourth time, Allah's Messenger (may, peace be upon him) said: From what am I to purify you? He said: From adultery, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) asked if he had been mad. He was informed that he was not mad. He said: Has he drunk wine? A person stood up and smelt his breath but noticed no smell of wine. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Have you committed adultery? He said: Yes. He made pronouncement about him and he was stoned to death. The people had been (divided) into two groups about him (Ma'iz). One of them said: He has been undone for his sins had encompassed him, whereas another said: There is no repentance more excellent than the repentance of Ma'iz, for he came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and placing his hand in his (in the Holy Prophet's) hand said: Kill me with stones. (This controversy about Ma'iz) remained for two or three days. Then came Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to them (his Companions) as they were sitting. He greeted them with salutation and then sat down and said: Ask forgiveness for Ma'iz b. Malik. They said: May Allah forgive Ma'iz b. Malik. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He (Ma'iz) has made such a repentance that if that were to be divided among a people, it would have been enough for all of them. He (the narrator) said: Then a woman of Ghamid, a branch of Azd, came to him and said: Messenger of of Allah, purify me, whereupon he said: Woe be upon you; go back and beg forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance. She said: I find that you intend to send me back as you sent back Ma'iz. b. Malik. He (the Holy, Prophet) said: What has happened to you? She said that she had become pregnant as a result of fornication. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Is it you (who has done that)? She said: Yes. He (the Holy Prophet) said to her: (You will not be punished) until you deliver what is there in your womb. One of the Ansar became responsible for her until she was delivered (of the child). He (that Ansari) came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said the woman of Ghamid has given birth to a child. He (the Holy Prophet) said: In that case we shall not stone her and so leave her infant with none to suckle him. One of the Ansar got up and said: Allah's Apostle, let the responsibility of his suckling be upon me. She was then stoned to death.

thx for your sweet words

[Ibrahim Al Copti]

Dear "no way"
How are u doing ?
I hope u are OK

u quoted

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that mention was made of 'azl in the presence of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) whereupon he said: Why do you practise it? They said: There is a man whose wife has to suckle the child, and if that person has a sexual intercourse with her (she may conceive) which he does not like, and there is another person who has a slave-girl and he has a sexual intercourse with her, but he does not like her to have conception so that she may not become Umm Walad, whereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: There is no harm if you do not do that, for that (the birth of the child) is something pre- ordained. Ibn 'Aun said: I made a mention of this hadith to Hasan, and he said: By Allah, (it seems) as if there is upbraiding in it (for 'azl).

where this hadith came from ?
Does it mention Salim the grown-up man we spoke of, who suckled the breast of his adopting mother?
why u are running away from your texts
the text says "There is a man whose wife has to suckle the child"

What wife, and What child ?

Book 008, Number 3415:
Umm al-Fadl reported: A bedouin came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) when he was in my house and said: Allah's Apostle, I have had a wife and I married another besides her, and my first wife claimed that she had suckled once or twice my newly married wife, thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: One suckling or two do not make the (marriage) unlawful.

again,

Does it mention Salim the grown-up man we spoke of, who suckled the breast of his adopting mother?

please don't run away , because there is
"no where to run"

The next Hadith actually confirms that Salim the grown man suckled his adopting mother breast

Book 008, Number 3429:
Umm Salama, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), used to say that all wives of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) disclaimed the idea that one with this type of fosterage (having been suckled after the proper period) should come to them. and said to 'A'isha: By Allah, we do not find this but a sort of concession given by Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) only for Salim, and no one was ging to be allowed to enter (our houses) with this type of fosterage and we do not subscribe to this view.

that is why all Muhammad's wives refused to practice that suckling, except A'isha his spoiled wife. A'isha insisted to ask her nieces to suckle every grown man
before he enters her room

in Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3427
in the same page you quoted from

Umm Salama said to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her): A young boy who is at the threshold of puberty comes to you. I, however, do not like that he should come to me, whereupon 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) said: Don't you see in Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) a model for you? She also said: The wife of Abu Hudhaifa said: Messenger of Allah, Salim comes to me and now he is a (grown-up) person, and there is something that (rankles) in the mind of Abu Hudhaifa about him, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him (so that he may become your foster-child), and thus he may be able to come to you (freely).

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen....html#008.3427

So, if u still denying please explain this controversy between what u trying to convince us and what is written in your texts
and actually the texts u brought are opposing your claim

please read carefully what are u quating

Book 008, Number 3425:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.

God Bless