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قديم 06-09-2008
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Re: The Simple Religion

Hello Faith
Nice points

I am going to answer from my prospective not the Joker's of course

The only thing I sense is that you are thinking about it from the prospective of a Christian

Theologically, Islam belief in the absolute oneness of Allah .... Some kind of a numerical one and he is not omnipresent accroding to Sunni majority

On the contrary, we believe that God is one in Nature but with infinite existence (more elaboration needs another thread)
These are alien terms to Muslim theologians

So, Muslims claim that you cannot worship except Allah, but literally they worship his names too (AbdalRahman, AbdalRahim ... etc) where Abd means worshiper or slave of

Of course some Copts and Arab Christians adopted the same concept ... but without a Christian theological basis

So, my original question was

إقتباس:
If your Allah is an absolute one, where did this multiplicity come from ?
The answer puts the Muslim between two choices

+ The multiplicity from within (so, why they won't accept a similar concept like the trinity)

+ Or Multiplicity from without which leads to Shirk (or polytheism in Muslim terms)

So the leap you are talking about here
إقتباس:
First, it is again illogical to jump from 99 attributes of god, to 99 gods.
is an internal theological problem within Islam
that is why I refered to "Islamic logic", and you see it as illogical

This is a very fast response because I am at work right now ...

God Bless +++

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قديم 07-09-2008
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Hey Ibrahim

I think I understand you, but this information is far more about muslim theology than I would be familiar with.

On your comment,
Of course some Copts and Arab Christians adopted the same concept ... but without a Christian theological basis

I don't get that at all, what people adopted is just a habit in naming their kids, not a polytheitic concept.

There is no contradiction between having one, say, president, but describing him in a multiplicity of ways, commander in chief, head of executive branch of government, head of state. And I would say that this is exactly what arab christians do, and until now I assumed that this is what muslims were doing.

But, if you say that their theology supports this, not merely the naming of kids, then so be it.
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